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welcome everybody to another episode of

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somewhere in the skies

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this is going to be part of our

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halloween series as you see in the

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i'm trying to get as in the mood as i

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possibly can with all the weird stuff

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going on in the world today but uh i

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today's guest on

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to talk about his new film you've seen

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him you've heard him before you've seen

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his movies

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seth breedlove is with us today and

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we're going to be talking about his new

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the moth man legacy seth

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thanks so much for joining me today

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brother yeah thanks for having me on man

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of course you have been a freaking

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machine lately getting the word out

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i watched it last night i absolutely

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gorgeous gorgeous uh which we will get

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before we really get into what mothman

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legacy is about this isn't your first

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what about this one is different from

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what we're dealing with

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then with mothman and small town

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well yeah i mean then i was when we made

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so so like that's like the biggest thing

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focus on this full-time but um

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i i have really fond memories of the

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mothman point pleasant like making that

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to it and i always said no because

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premiere and all that stuff so he was

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witnesses and people who claim to be

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how they're told and it's something

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the mothman legacy though which does not

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aspect too because that's fascinating

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of what's going on in west virginia

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2016 and i've since become a friend of

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this kind of stuff so he's a really cool

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that town would probably be gone i mean

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uh and anymore the way we the way it is

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song in the making for sure but um

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appalachia now this was really

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fascinating you know the first kind of

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maybe quarter to to half of the film

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native american okay i totally get that

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about banshees again like something i

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the mothman but

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is we

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our movies just in generals we don't we

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don't draw conclusions for viewers we

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kind of like put the put the facts out

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there and let them

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make up their own minds about things so

289
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one of those one of those threads in

290
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this movie is the banshee

291
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and the scots-irish uh settlers it also

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goes into

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like the garuda and and other folkloric

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and mythological creatures but

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what drew me to it was this connection

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between

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the the folklore and mythology of the

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people that settled the land

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and how connected that seemed to be to

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the mothman

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and so what happens is you have to i'm

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not necessarily making the point

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that the mothman is simply a a

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remnant of a of an oral tradition you

305
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know that dates back

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to scots irish i think there's more to

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it than that

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but you have to wonder how much of the

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folklore that came over

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with some of those immigrants that

311
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settled that area how much of their

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folklore

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has infused itself into that story the

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month man story

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and does that play out in ways like the

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fact that

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we consider the mothman a harbinger of

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doom or that's become such a key part of

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the legend

320
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is the is the mothman considered a

321
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harbinger of doom because it showed up

322
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around point pleasant for well over a

323
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year prior to a bridge collapse

324
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um and is that is that the reason or is

325
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it because

326
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there's a banshee that people can

327
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connect

328
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back to that they may have heard about

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as children from their

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you know their irish grandmother uh this

331
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creature that

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that supposedly heralded oncoming

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disaster and tragedy so when another

334
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creature shows up with red eyes in the

335
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60s all of a sudden people start saying

336
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this thing might be here to awareness of

337
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something does that play itself

338
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out uh in some way it's all

339
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that's all what drew me to to this story

340
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um there's the the heather talks about

341
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screech owls the screech owls that

342
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supposedly show up at people's windows

343
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prior to a tragedy

344
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um there's there's a lot of that

345
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mythology baked into uh

346
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the appalachia and their culture and

347
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their folklore and we left a lot of

348
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stuff out man like

349
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appalachia is a really strange place um

350
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and obviously it's not just west

351
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virginia this stretches from you know

352
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alabama up to up into new york

353
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um and you can you can trace

354
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that those appalachian roots the scots

355
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irish roots all the way

356
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along that range and they everywhere you

357
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go you have that kind of weirdness but

358
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there is there is something about west

359
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virginia that seem to

360
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seems to invite it and and

361
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it's interesting heather part of

362
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heather's interview that didn't make it

363
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into the movie she talks about how west

364
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virginia

365
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keep a hold of those roots better than

366
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some other areas

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so you lose you lose some of the

368
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cultural

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influence on on the region in places

370
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like new york a little bit

371
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you know that you you lose that in the

372
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way people talk and their accents

373
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and you might lose it a little bit in

374
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the way they tell stories and the

375
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stories they tell

376
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um but the uh

377
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i completely forget where i was going

378
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with that but it was going to be a

379
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really killer point

380
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oh no it'll come out at some point no

381
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man

382
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banshee and uh well i think the the big

383
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thing i think to focus on with this

384
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sort of um lens that you used

385
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in the film is that oral tradition plays

386
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a huge part i mean i'm

387
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i'm on oahu right now and i just did an

388
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interview

389
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with a master ghost storyteller

390
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who's native hawaiian and um and has

391
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lived here his whole life

392
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and to hear someone say like everything

393
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my people know

394
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was never written down we were never

395
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told we were never

396
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you know raised to write things down and

397
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the stories are just passed on and on

398
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and on and of course things are going to

399
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change

400
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with time and evolve but uh i thought

401
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that was fascinating but also the other

402
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part of that is uh

403
00:14:00,829 --> 00:13:59,519
bringing in different tradition i mean

404
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hawaii is

405
00:14:04,629 --> 00:14:03,600
extremely ethnically diverse i mean you

406
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have

407
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a big filipino culture uh japanese

408
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culture

409
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and those stories start to become the

410
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biggest stories on

411
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in hawaii like the faceless woman of

412
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japan is probably one of the

413
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the most famous ones and it's not even a

414
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you know a hawaiian story so i was gonna

415
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say they they seep their way into the

416
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like the literal

417
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that not the literal but the fabric of

418
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the region and that was

419
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where i was going with that was i was

420
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going to mention granny witches which

421
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originally i really wanted to get into

422
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granny witches

423
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in the context of the mothman story

424
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because i think there's some sort of

425
00:14:39,430 --> 00:14:38,880
connection there but i'm not sure what

426
00:14:42,069 --> 00:14:39,440
it is

427
00:14:42,470 --> 00:14:42,079
but you have this there's there was a

428
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whole

429
00:14:45,829 --> 00:14:44,320
like five-minute section originally that

430
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got into the religious

431
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aspects of appalachia and how the region

432
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was

433
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these

434
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spiritualism sort of coming together

435
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with

436
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um christianity in this strange way so

437
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you'd have like

438
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what they what they referred to as

439
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granny witches which would be just

440
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someone's grandma but she's like

441
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mixing herbs in the woods and casting

442
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spells or whatever and she's also going

443
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to church on sunday

444
00:15:19,189 --> 00:15:17,760
and you had like it's just such a weird

445
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it's a weird melding

446
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of cultures and belief systems

447
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and some of that plays out in the way

448
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stories are told

449
00:15:30,069 --> 00:15:28,639
and in the movie the way that all sort

450
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of culminates is

451
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when lyle says when

452
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when the mothman shows up and he

453
00:15:41,509 --> 00:15:39,360
these aren't the exact words but when

454
00:15:44,550 --> 00:15:41,519
the mothman shows up in the 1960s it

455
00:15:47,829 --> 00:15:44,560
wasn't that strange to a place that had

456
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that had that were telling stories of of

457
00:15:52,629 --> 00:15:50,639
glowing red-eyed banshees and screech

458
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owls and granny witches for

459
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for decades right so i just think i

460
00:15:58,710 --> 00:15:57,040
think there's something to that you know

461
00:16:02,470 --> 00:15:58,720
like the

462
00:16:05,990 --> 00:16:02,480
the mothman was always a part of that

463
00:16:06,550 --> 00:16:06,000
region it just may have been receiving a

464
00:16:10,870 --> 00:16:06,560
different

465
00:16:13,030 --> 00:16:10,880
you know title till that point right

466
00:16:14,230 --> 00:16:13,040
yeah and again you you always wonder

467
00:16:16,870 --> 00:16:14,240
chicken and egg like

468
00:16:17,910 --> 00:16:16,880
is does the phenomena evolve with the

469
00:16:20,710 --> 00:16:17,920
storytelling

470
00:16:21,110 --> 00:16:20,720
or the cult and and vice versa and you

471
00:16:23,189 --> 00:16:21,120
know

472
00:16:25,030 --> 00:16:23,199
again that's stories like we it's a

473
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little bit of both that gives and takes

474
00:16:27,350 --> 00:16:25,839
but um

475
00:16:29,350 --> 00:16:27,360
one of the stories about mothman that

476
00:16:32,629 --> 00:16:29,360
i'm sure most people are familiar with

477
00:16:33,030 --> 00:16:32,639
is the 2002 richard gere film uh written

478
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by

479
00:16:36,150 --> 00:16:35,040
rich hayden who you had in the film

480
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which is awesome

481
00:16:41,350 --> 00:16:38,560
um you know it's very rare that you get

482
00:16:43,269 --> 00:16:41,360
to get the inside story of a writer who

483
00:16:45,269 --> 00:16:43,279
created something that was so big and

484
00:16:46,949 --> 00:16:45,279
that movie was huge at the time so i'd

485
00:16:48,870 --> 00:16:46,959
love to ask you

486
00:16:50,629 --> 00:16:48,880
what did richard bring to the table what

487
00:16:52,949 --> 00:16:50,639
did you find most intriguing about

488
00:16:55,030 --> 00:16:52,959
what he had to say and what impact did

489
00:16:57,269 --> 00:16:55,040
that film have on i guess

490
00:16:58,790 --> 00:16:57,279
maybe the town or just the overall

491
00:17:01,189 --> 00:16:58,800
perception of mothman

492
00:17:02,790 --> 00:17:01,199
yeah what was that all like yeah i mean

493
00:17:03,749 --> 00:17:02,800
so i have to start that out by saying

494
00:17:06,549 --> 00:17:03,759
like

495
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i i've in recent years sort of given

496
00:17:10,069 --> 00:17:08,079
rich's movie

497
00:17:11,429 --> 00:17:10,079
uh the mothman prophecies the credit for

498
00:17:12,230 --> 00:17:11,439
being like my introduction to the

499
00:17:16,150 --> 00:17:12,240
paranormal

500
00:17:17,669 --> 00:17:16,160
so i i didn't i am not the type of guy

501
00:17:19,350 --> 00:17:17,679
who was into this my whole life i didn't

502
00:17:21,029 --> 00:17:19,360
get into it until

503
00:17:22,949 --> 00:17:21,039
mid 2000's i would have been in my late

504
00:17:26,150 --> 00:17:22,959
20s when i started getting an interest

505
00:17:28,309 --> 00:17:26,160
in this stuff so like um

506
00:17:29,909 --> 00:17:28,319
to you know like rich's movie came out

507
00:17:31,830 --> 00:17:29,919
in 2002

508
00:17:33,909 --> 00:17:31,840
zack my director of photography you've

509
00:17:35,750 --> 00:17:33,919
met zach um zach and i went to see the

510
00:17:37,510 --> 00:17:35,760
mothman prophecies movie probably four

511
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or five times at the dollar theater like

512
00:17:43,029 --> 00:17:39,600
we were obsessed with that movie

513
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and and so it was

514
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um it was vital to me to have him

515
00:17:49,990 --> 00:17:48,320
involved but i had also been aware that

516
00:17:51,590 --> 00:17:50,000
he was a fan of the mothman point

517
00:17:52,390 --> 00:17:51,600
pleasant and we had emailed back and

518
00:17:55,510 --> 00:17:52,400
forth

519
00:17:57,110 --> 00:17:55,520
so i knew i could get him um but it was

520
00:17:59,110 --> 00:17:57,120
vital to me that we get him involved

521
00:18:00,310 --> 00:17:59,120
because i wanted him to be there to talk

522
00:18:03,110 --> 00:18:00,320
about that

523
00:18:04,950 --> 00:18:03,120
pop culture aspect of the mothman story

524
00:18:07,430 --> 00:18:04,960
post 2002

525
00:18:09,510 --> 00:18:07,440
and i was also aware that he himself was

526
00:18:11,750 --> 00:18:09,520
responsible for a lot of

527
00:18:13,110 --> 00:18:11,760
what gets passed around as mothman

528
00:18:15,830 --> 00:18:13,120
history today

529
00:18:17,669 --> 00:18:15,840
like he had fictionally written a lot of

530
00:18:20,870 --> 00:18:17,679
these things especially

531
00:18:22,870 --> 00:18:20,880
the blackbird of chernobyl idea which

532
00:18:24,070 --> 00:18:22,880
i would like to say i hope we put to bed

533
00:18:26,390 --> 00:18:24,080
with with

534
00:18:28,789 --> 00:18:26,400
the the mothman legacy but i'm sure

535
00:18:30,630 --> 00:18:28,799
it'll keep coming up um

536
00:18:32,710 --> 00:18:30,640
but having rich involved was really

537
00:18:35,669 --> 00:18:32,720
important and um

538
00:18:37,350 --> 00:18:35,679
you know we we set up so we were in la

539
00:18:39,430 --> 00:18:37,360
filming on the trail of

540
00:18:40,870 --> 00:18:39,440
ufos we were there to film an interview

541
00:18:43,830 --> 00:18:40,880
with greg bishop

542
00:18:45,350 --> 00:18:43,840
um we had two other interviews though

543
00:18:46,630 --> 00:18:45,360
ellie was with us we were interviewing

544
00:18:47,750 --> 00:18:46,640
her and then we had another interview

545
00:18:49,270 --> 00:18:47,760
and then we had um

546
00:18:51,190 --> 00:18:49,280
an interview with forrest burgess

547
00:18:52,789 --> 00:18:51,200
actually for for the mark of the

548
00:18:54,549 --> 00:18:52,799
bellwich he's one of our key people

549
00:18:56,230 --> 00:18:54,559
in in the mark of the bellwich so it's

550
00:18:57,510 --> 00:18:56,240
kind of a weird trip because we were out

551
00:18:59,510 --> 00:18:57,520
there to film

552
00:19:01,990 --> 00:18:59,520
interviews for three different projects

553
00:19:04,549 --> 00:19:02,000
at once and actually we did

554
00:19:05,750 --> 00:19:04,559
a forest interview in one room with this

555
00:19:08,230 --> 00:19:05,760
rental where we were

556
00:19:09,110 --> 00:19:08,240
and then we did four um riches in the

557
00:19:10,870 --> 00:19:09,120
next so it was like

558
00:19:12,870 --> 00:19:10,880
back to back we did their interviews for

559
00:19:15,190 --> 00:19:12,880
two different films that we were nowhere

560
00:19:18,630 --> 00:19:15,200
near filming yet at that point either

561
00:19:21,029 --> 00:19:18,640
um but the most surreal thing to me

562
00:19:21,830 --> 00:19:21,039
about this whole thing has been watching

563
00:19:24,950 --> 00:19:21,840
rich react

564
00:19:25,430 --> 00:19:24,960
to um the movie the mothman legacy i

565
00:19:26,870 --> 00:19:25,440
told

566
00:19:28,789 --> 00:19:26,880
i just had a conversation with him

567
00:19:31,270 --> 00:19:28,799
yesterday um

568
00:19:32,789 --> 00:19:31,280
it was it was a i did a zoom interview

569
00:19:33,510 --> 00:19:32,799
with the guys from astonishing legends

570
00:19:36,230 --> 00:19:33,520
and him

571
00:19:36,630 --> 00:19:36,240
and and we just talked about the movie

572
00:19:42,070 --> 00:19:36,640
and

573
00:19:43,909 --> 00:19:42,080
like a three or four minute uh tangent

574
00:19:44,870 --> 00:19:43,919
about how much he loved the movie and

575
00:19:48,630 --> 00:19:44,880
why

576
00:19:51,590 --> 00:19:48,640
and i i like was this close to the tears

577
00:19:53,350 --> 00:19:51,600
because like uh you you i would i'm

578
00:19:57,190 --> 00:19:53,360
sitting there like listening to him talk

579
00:19:59,029 --> 00:19:57,200
talk about it and i could very easily

580
00:20:01,110 --> 00:19:59,039
cast myself back to zach and i sitting

581
00:20:02,470 --> 00:20:01,120
at movies four in canton ohio watching

582
00:20:05,430 --> 00:20:02,480
his movie

583
00:20:07,110 --> 00:20:05,440
you know like and really getting into

584
00:20:08,549 --> 00:20:07,120
filming and that was a very formal point

585
00:20:10,149 --> 00:20:08,559
in my life because i was really into

586
00:20:12,230 --> 00:20:10,159
filmmaking and that's what zach and i

587
00:20:14,710 --> 00:20:12,240
bonded over was like filmmaking

588
00:20:16,310 --> 00:20:14,720
and to hear him like talk about how much

589
00:20:19,190 --> 00:20:16,320
he enjoyed the movie was

590
00:20:20,470 --> 00:20:19,200
obviously uh probably one of if not the

591
00:20:21,750 --> 00:20:20,480
highlight of this whole thing one of the

592
00:20:24,789 --> 00:20:21,760
highlights of it but

593
00:20:26,710 --> 00:20:24,799
just having him in the movie he's

594
00:20:27,990 --> 00:20:26,720
he plays such a key role he's got so

595
00:20:30,710 --> 00:20:28,000
much um

596
00:20:32,470 --> 00:20:30,720
unique insight into the mothman story

597
00:20:33,270 --> 00:20:32,480
and then he has his own theories on

598
00:20:35,350 --> 00:20:33,280
what's going on

599
00:20:37,669 --> 00:20:35,360
like he's and he's shifted like he

600
00:20:39,750 --> 00:20:37,679
started very early on in his

601
00:20:41,909 --> 00:20:39,760
in his looking into the paranormal he

602
00:20:43,830 --> 00:20:41,919
was very much um

603
00:20:45,270 --> 00:20:43,840
i think he's a lot like he was a lot

604
00:20:47,510 --> 00:20:45,280
like i am now

605
00:20:49,750 --> 00:20:47,520
very ground level doesn't necessarily

606
00:20:52,390 --> 00:20:49,760
buy into a lot of the paranormal stuff

607
00:20:53,110 --> 00:20:52,400
like more he tends to go more like nuts

608
00:20:54,710 --> 00:20:53,120
and bolts

609
00:20:56,549 --> 00:20:54,720
at that point of time he tended to go

610
00:20:57,909 --> 00:20:56,559
nuts and bolts when it came to this kind

611
00:20:59,110 --> 00:20:57,919
of stuff and now he shifted like

612
00:21:02,230 --> 00:20:59,120
dramatically i think he

613
00:21:03,430 --> 00:21:02,240
he very much you know is in the um

614
00:21:05,669 --> 00:21:03,440
i hate to speak for him but i think

615
00:21:07,909 --> 00:21:05,679
he'll he he has some

616
00:21:09,350 --> 00:21:07,919
some opinions on it that would push you

617
00:21:11,190 --> 00:21:09,360
know the boundaries of like quantum

618
00:21:14,390 --> 00:21:11,200
physics and all that kind of stuff

619
00:21:16,149 --> 00:21:14,400
and so it's it's he over time he's gone

620
00:21:18,630 --> 00:21:16,159
in a very different direction

621
00:21:19,350 --> 00:21:18,640
from where he started so having that

622
00:21:21,909 --> 00:21:19,360
insight was

623
00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:21,919
was really important as well that's

624
00:21:25,750 --> 00:21:23,760
awesome yeah and again

625
00:21:27,270 --> 00:21:25,760
the idea that our thoughts and theories

626
00:21:29,510 --> 00:21:27,280
can constantly evolve on

627
00:21:31,830 --> 00:21:29,520
all of these phenomena is extremely

628
00:21:33,750 --> 00:21:31,840
important and you know

629
00:21:35,190 --> 00:21:33,760
i think there is a very trickster

630
00:21:37,110 --> 00:21:35,200
element to all of this where

631
00:21:38,630 --> 00:21:37,120
the minute we think we have an answer of

632
00:21:40,310 --> 00:21:38,640
what mothman could be

633
00:21:41,669 --> 00:21:40,320
uh something else gets thrown on the

634
00:21:43,669 --> 00:21:41,679
table and that's

635
00:21:45,430 --> 00:21:43,679
awesome i think the journey is so much

636
00:21:47,830 --> 00:21:45,440
more rewarding right

637
00:21:48,950 --> 00:21:47,840
i mean if we knew the answers it

638
00:21:51,270 --> 00:21:48,960
probably

639
00:21:53,190 --> 00:21:51,280
wouldn't satisfy everyone first of all

640
00:21:55,510 --> 00:21:53,200
everyone's still going to have their own

641
00:21:57,350 --> 00:21:55,520
theories on what it is or isn't but um

642
00:21:58,070 --> 00:21:57,360
yeah i always find that fascinating when

643
00:22:00,149 --> 00:21:58,080
people

644
00:22:02,310 --> 00:22:00,159
are willing to change their mind and

645
00:22:04,149 --> 00:22:02,320
adapt to a new set of you know

646
00:22:05,350 --> 00:22:04,159
either scientific rigor or just

647
00:22:07,669 --> 00:22:05,360
storytelling

648
00:22:08,470 --> 00:22:07,679
you know i think that's probably where

649
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:08,480
he's coming from

650
00:22:11,990 --> 00:22:10,240
too it's like that's right and there's

651
00:22:14,710 --> 00:22:12,000
some similarities there between rich

652
00:22:15,669 --> 00:22:14,720
and john keel uh because you've got that

653
00:22:17,270 --> 00:22:15,679
same shift happen

654
00:22:19,510 --> 00:22:17,280
that happened with john keel you know

655
00:22:21,190 --> 00:22:19,520
like kiel did not start out where he

656
00:22:23,029 --> 00:22:21,200
ended up he didn't come into this with

657
00:22:26,549 --> 00:22:23,039
like his ultra-terrestrial

658
00:22:29,510 --> 00:22:26,559
hypothesis sort of formed um he

659
00:22:30,710 --> 00:22:29,520
he formed that over time and over

660
00:22:34,230 --> 00:22:30,720
interacting with

661
00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:34,240
with some very um weird elements

662
00:22:39,750 --> 00:22:37,440
of of this particular case the

663
00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:39,760
the mothman case i think that's probably

664
00:22:45,350 --> 00:22:40,720
the reason

665
00:22:47,350 --> 00:22:45,360
he i think keel is more well known

666
00:22:49,909 --> 00:22:47,360
beca obviously because of the mothman

667
00:22:53,190 --> 00:22:49,919
than than anything else he wrote or

668
00:22:55,110 --> 00:22:53,200
uh studied but i think it had

669
00:22:56,710 --> 00:22:55,120
it had the biggest impact on him

670
00:22:58,310 --> 00:22:56,720
personally at least from

671
00:23:00,789 --> 00:22:58,320
from my point of view of any of the

672
00:23:01,909 --> 00:23:00,799
cases he wrote about or investigated it

673
00:23:04,230 --> 00:23:01,919
seemed to have

674
00:23:05,110 --> 00:23:04,240
a lasting effect even though he tried to

675
00:23:06,870 --> 00:23:05,120
outrun it

676
00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:06,880
at certain points in his life especially

677
00:23:09,990 --> 00:23:08,480
you know from the 80s to the 90s i think

678
00:23:11,350 --> 00:23:10,000
he was kind of like getting away from it

679
00:23:13,909 --> 00:23:11,360
as much as he could

680
00:23:15,510 --> 00:23:13,919
um when the movie came out it it brought

681
00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:15,520
him back around and it was kind of like

682
00:23:19,909 --> 00:23:17,840
i think i think what i like about that

683
00:23:20,390 --> 00:23:19,919
is it's almost a redemptive story not

684
00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:20,400
just for

685
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:23,600
point pleasant but for for keel and

686
00:23:26,870 --> 00:23:25,679
and his relationship with the mothman

687
00:23:29,350 --> 00:23:26,880
you know like his

688
00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:29,360
he had kind of done everything he could

689
00:23:33,110 --> 00:23:31,120
by that point to put some distance

690
00:23:36,070 --> 00:23:33,120
between himself and the mothman story

691
00:23:37,430 --> 00:23:36,080
and so when that movie came out and he

692
00:23:40,310 --> 00:23:37,440
traveled to point pleasant

693
00:23:41,909 --> 00:23:40,320
and saw the how much they were embracing

694
00:23:42,390 --> 00:23:41,919
the story and the statue and all that it

695
00:23:45,830 --> 00:23:42,400
was

696
00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:45,840
i think it it played a role in him uh

697
00:23:52,470 --> 00:23:49,440
viewing if not his

698
00:23:53,269 --> 00:23:52,480
entire career at least that particular

699
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:53,279
case

700
00:23:59,269 --> 00:23:57,120
in a new light you know a less um

701
00:24:00,950 --> 00:23:59,279
less negative light than he might have

702
00:24:04,230 --> 00:24:00,960
been viewing the whole thing as

703
00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:04,240
at that point right yeah and see maybe

704
00:24:07,510 --> 00:24:04,799
that's what

705
00:24:08,310 --> 00:24:07,520
it was supposed to be all along you know

706
00:24:10,470 --> 00:24:08,320
and uh

707
00:24:11,430 --> 00:24:10,480
if i'm not mistaken he passed away not

708
00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:11,440
too long

709
00:24:14,549 --> 00:24:13,360
after the movie came out right so yeah

710
00:24:16,549 --> 00:24:14,559
that is kind of a

711
00:24:19,029 --> 00:24:16,559
a full circle moment i think which is

712
00:24:20,950 --> 00:24:19,039
cool um well in terms of john keel

713
00:24:22,549 --> 00:24:20,960
i mean we know about his work on all of

714
00:24:25,029 --> 00:24:22,559
this we know uh

715
00:24:25,830 --> 00:24:25,039
you know great barker was um involved at

716
00:24:28,630 --> 00:24:25,840
one point

717
00:24:30,310 --> 00:24:28,640
and this is kind of you know amongst

718
00:24:32,950 --> 00:24:30,320
some other ufo events

719
00:24:34,549 --> 00:24:32,960
where we start to have the lore of the

720
00:24:36,789 --> 00:24:34,559
men in black start to pop

721
00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:36,799
up and i thought it was really cool in

722
00:24:39,909 --> 00:24:38,320
the film you introduced

723
00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:39,919
someone that i'd never heard of and that

724
00:24:44,950 --> 00:24:41,600
was mary hayer who was a

725
00:24:46,630 --> 00:24:44,960
reporter in west virginia and uh she had

726
00:24:48,630 --> 00:24:46,640
some interesting run-ins

727
00:24:50,149 --> 00:24:48,640
uh as she was constantly covering the

728
00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:50,159
mothman story so

729
00:24:53,430 --> 00:24:51,520
yeah could you tell us a little about

730
00:24:55,269 --> 00:24:53,440
who mary was and uh

731
00:24:57,430 --> 00:24:55,279
why you decided to use her in the film

732
00:24:57,750 --> 00:24:57,440
yeah i mean mary to me is more important

733
00:25:00,870 --> 00:24:57,760
to

734
00:25:04,630 --> 00:25:00,880
this

735
00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:04,640
uh mary to me is in in a lot of ways

736
00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:08,400
more important to the mothman story

737
00:25:12,149 --> 00:25:11,679
than keel because once kiel was done

738
00:25:14,470 --> 00:25:12,159
with it

739
00:25:15,909 --> 00:25:14,480
in 67 once the bridge collapsed and he

740
00:25:18,390 --> 00:25:15,919
was he was already by

741
00:25:20,070 --> 00:25:18,400
by the point in at which the the bridge

742
00:25:21,909 --> 00:25:20,080
collapsed he kind of like stopped coming

743
00:25:22,630 --> 00:25:21,919
to point pleasant even at that point in

744
00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:22,640
time

745
00:25:26,870 --> 00:25:25,200
um but once that bridge collapsed once

746
00:25:28,950 --> 00:25:26,880
the silver bridge went down he was done

747
00:25:31,110 --> 00:25:28,960
like he did not return to point pleasant

748
00:25:33,110 --> 00:25:31,120
until the movie in 2002 he'd come out

749
00:25:35,110 --> 00:25:33,120
and he came for the mothman festival

750
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:35,120
um so he was done in point pleasant but

751
00:25:37,590 --> 00:25:36,480
mary was still there

752
00:25:39,510 --> 00:25:37,600
and at that point in time she was

753
00:25:40,149 --> 00:25:39,520
writing for the athens messenger which

754
00:25:43,190 --> 00:25:40,159
is

755
00:25:44,950 --> 00:25:43,200
they say it's a nearby it's a nearby

756
00:25:47,510 --> 00:25:44,960
town but it really isn't that close like

757
00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:47,520
athens is 45 minutes close to an hour

758
00:25:51,110 --> 00:25:49,440
away from point pleasant but apparently

759
00:25:53,590 --> 00:25:51,120
there everything is kind of spread out

760
00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:53,600
so so she wrote for the athens messenger

761
00:25:56,149 --> 00:25:55,360
and she had an office in downtown point

762
00:25:59,430 --> 00:25:56,159
pleasant

763
00:26:01,830 --> 00:25:59,440
and people would come to her with their

764
00:26:03,510 --> 00:26:01,840
not just their mothman stories but ufo

765
00:26:04,630 --> 00:26:03,520
encounters men in black stories and all

766
00:26:06,390 --> 00:26:04,640
that kind of stuff

767
00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:06,400
and then she would almost act as a

768
00:26:08,950 --> 00:26:08,400
clearinghouse for she would go these you

769
00:26:11,110 --> 00:26:08,960
know she'd

770
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:11,120
passed that stuff on to kiel a lot of

771
00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:12,720
the cases

772
00:26:18,870 --> 00:26:15,760
that you read about in the mothman

773
00:26:20,549 --> 00:26:18,880
uh in the mothman prophecies are are

774
00:26:22,390 --> 00:26:20,559
stories that were passed to

775
00:26:25,269 --> 00:26:22,400
higher that higher than passed on to

776
00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:25,279
keel so higher deserves

777
00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:28,240
to me the lion share the credit for the

778
00:26:31,510 --> 00:26:29,520
investigation that went on

779
00:26:33,190 --> 00:26:31,520
into the mothman story and definitely

780
00:26:35,909 --> 00:26:33,200
for preserving those stories

781
00:26:36,470 --> 00:26:35,919
um she she had a newspaper column called

782
00:26:40,149 --> 00:26:36,480
the

783
00:26:42,070 --> 00:26:40,159
because

784
00:26:43,830 --> 00:26:42,080
point pleasant sits on the confluence of

785
00:26:45,510 --> 00:26:43,840
the canal kanawha

786
00:26:47,110 --> 00:26:45,520
river i think that's how you say kanawha

787
00:26:50,549 --> 00:26:47,120
river and

788
00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:50,559
the ohio river so she's it's it's

789
00:26:53,830 --> 00:26:52,080
you know it's where the waters mingle

790
00:26:57,990 --> 00:26:53,840
it's the confluence of those rivers

791
00:27:00,390 --> 00:26:58,000
um and her she

792
00:27:01,590 --> 00:27:00,400
over time basically that column just

793
00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:01,600
became her

794
00:27:04,950 --> 00:27:04,400
reciting strange activity around point

795
00:27:07,909 --> 00:27:04,960
pleasant

796
00:27:09,510 --> 00:27:07,919
and much of west virginia and um there

797
00:27:12,870 --> 00:27:09,520
was an incident

798
00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:12,880
uh sometime during 1967 um wherein she

799
00:27:17,350 --> 00:27:14,320
was visited one night

800
00:27:20,470 --> 00:27:17,360
by a mysterious man

801
00:27:22,470 --> 00:27:20,480
in black who came into her office

802
00:27:24,149 --> 00:27:22,480
i believe he asked her if she had a pen

803
00:27:26,549 --> 00:27:24,159
and then when she handed him the pen he

804
00:27:29,110 --> 00:27:26,559
acted as if he had never seen the pen

805
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:29,120
a pen and didn't know what to do with it

806
00:27:31,669 --> 00:27:29,600
um

807
00:27:32,830 --> 00:27:31,679
really weird incident also had a creepy

808
00:27:35,190 --> 00:27:32,840
smile

809
00:27:37,430 --> 00:27:35,200
um uh and eventually left and that's

810
00:27:39,029 --> 00:27:37,440
become like one of the more famous

811
00:27:41,110 --> 00:27:39,039
parts of the mothman story the coolest

812
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:41,120
thing about that is you can still go to

813
00:27:46,389 --> 00:27:44,159
write down uh by the state theaters

814
00:27:47,190 --> 00:27:46,399
is that office her old office and

815
00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:47,200
there's still a

816
00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:50,159
higher on it so you know where you're

817
00:27:52,870 --> 00:27:50,880
looking

818
00:27:53,990 --> 00:27:52,880
uh when you're down there but yeah mary

819
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:54,000
was a a key

820
00:27:58,549 --> 00:27:55,679
played a key role in the whole thing she

821
00:28:01,269 --> 00:27:58,559
passed away prior to the release of

822
00:28:02,549 --> 00:28:01,279
kiel's book so not long after the bridge

823
00:28:04,789 --> 00:28:02,559
collapse um

824
00:28:05,830 --> 00:28:04,799
not even 10 years she she had passed

825
00:28:08,789 --> 00:28:05,840
away

826
00:28:09,990 --> 00:28:08,799
um but you can find you know there's the

827
00:28:11,669 --> 00:28:10,000
john kio archives

828
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:11,679
online you can find some of the letters

829
00:28:14,710 --> 00:28:13,120
that her and kyo would write back and it

830
00:28:16,389 --> 00:28:14,720
becomes pretty obvious she's

831
00:28:18,549 --> 00:28:16,399
she's really feeding him a lot of the

832
00:28:20,950 --> 00:28:18,559
information

833
00:28:23,029 --> 00:28:20,960
yeah one of the forgotten people i think

834
00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:23,039
of all of this so it was so cool to see

835
00:28:25,909 --> 00:28:23,600
you

836
00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:25,919
highlight her in the film and um the

837
00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:27,760
other big aspect of the film that we

838
00:28:32,310 --> 00:28:29,200
haven't really touched on

839
00:28:34,470 --> 00:28:32,320
yet is uh like you said the stories

840
00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:34,480
and you had some incredible eyewitness

841
00:28:37,669 --> 00:28:36,000
encounters in this film

842
00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:37,679
that stretched far beyond just point

843
00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:39,200
pleasant and everything

844
00:28:43,029 --> 00:28:41,520
and i was wondering is there one story

845
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:43,039
set that you covered that

846
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:44,720
kind of really stuck out to you is

847
00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:46,320
unique or uh

848
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:49,520
that you may have thought you knew where

849
00:28:52,070 --> 00:28:51,360
this film was heading or the stories

850
00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:52,080
were heading

851
00:28:55,590 --> 00:28:54,240
but completely through you for a loop

852
00:28:57,669 --> 00:28:55,600
anything really stick out to you in

853
00:29:01,350 --> 00:28:57,679
terms of the eyewitness accounts

854
00:29:04,870 --> 00:29:01,360
yeah if it's cool i'll do two because um

855
00:29:06,389 --> 00:29:04,880
so so the first has to be maryland

856
00:29:08,230 --> 00:29:06,399
and she's the first witness you actually

857
00:29:10,630 --> 00:29:08,240
meet in the movie um

858
00:29:11,909 --> 00:29:10,640
and the reason this one was unexpected

859
00:29:15,190 --> 00:29:11,919
and really took the movie in

860
00:29:17,830 --> 00:29:15,200
in some unique places was i

861
00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:17,840
i had set up the interview with marilyn

862
00:29:20,710 --> 00:29:18,480
because

863
00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:20,720
there was a story i had heard of hers

864
00:29:25,510 --> 00:29:22,799
and i have to give credit here

865
00:29:26,389 --> 00:29:25,520
to uh heather mosher who who assists in

866
00:29:28,070 --> 00:29:26,399
all of our

867
00:29:29,590 --> 00:29:28,080
research stuff on these movies and helps

868
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:29,600
line up interviews and everything she's

869
00:29:33,350 --> 00:29:30,640
been amazing

870
00:29:35,590 --> 00:29:33,360
um but heather and i had talked about

871
00:29:38,710 --> 00:29:35,600
marilyn and had a sighting that happened

872
00:29:40,310 --> 00:29:38,720
in the 70s where her and a friend

873
00:29:41,990 --> 00:29:40,320
from school were driving home from a

874
00:29:44,070 --> 00:29:42,000
dance or something

875
00:29:45,029 --> 00:29:44,080
and they heard something land on the

876
00:29:47,669 --> 00:29:45,039
roof of the car

877
00:29:49,029 --> 00:29:47,679
and they had to try to to to get rid of

878
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:49,039
it so they were like flying down these

879
00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:50,640
roads and like trying to shake it off

880
00:29:54,870 --> 00:29:51,760
the roof of their car

881
00:29:56,310 --> 00:29:54,880
really interesting story um and we had

882
00:29:57,990 --> 00:29:56,320
plans for how we were going to

883
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:58,000
present that in the film and like

884
00:30:00,149 --> 00:29:59,760
probably an animated sequence but we

885
00:30:01,590 --> 00:30:00,159
were

886
00:30:02,950 --> 00:30:01,600
trying to figure out a way to do it live

887
00:30:05,830 --> 00:30:02,960
action so we were going to have a lot of

888
00:30:08,149 --> 00:30:05,840
fun with that sequence

889
00:30:10,549 --> 00:30:08,159
and then off handedly she told this

890
00:30:12,870 --> 00:30:10,559
story about

891
00:30:14,149 --> 00:30:12,880
as a child seeing red eyes outside of

892
00:30:16,549 --> 00:30:14,159
her window

893
00:30:18,149 --> 00:30:16,559
at night and then she went into the

894
00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:18,159
story about the car and all that and

895
00:30:20,549 --> 00:30:18,720
then we

896
00:30:22,630 --> 00:30:20,559
shut down the cameras and as we were

897
00:30:24,549 --> 00:30:22,640
getting ready to leave uh she starts

898
00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:24,559
talking about how her dad was in a plane

899
00:30:28,710 --> 00:30:25,600
crash

900
00:30:29,430 --> 00:30:28,720
a week after her sighting and how she

901
00:30:32,070 --> 00:30:29,440
believed that

902
00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:32,080
the mothman was appeared to her as a

903
00:30:37,510 --> 00:30:33,760
child to warn her

904
00:30:40,149 --> 00:30:37,520
of her father's um the the plane

905
00:30:40,950 --> 00:30:40,159
the plane crash and so we flipped the

906
00:30:43,430 --> 00:30:40,960
cameras back

907
00:30:45,190 --> 00:30:43,440
on obviously and she sat back down and

908
00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:45,200
told us that story

909
00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:48,480
um that was so unexpected she she

910
00:30:52,870 --> 00:30:50,159
basically as a child

911
00:30:54,389 --> 00:30:52,880
woke up one night heard us sort of a

912
00:30:54,789 --> 00:30:54,399
strange noise outside of her window and

913
00:30:58,389 --> 00:30:54,799
this

914
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:58,399
um she

915
00:31:01,750 --> 00:31:00,480
she might mention the strange like

916
00:31:03,909 --> 00:31:01,760
giggle or or

917
00:31:05,190 --> 00:31:03,919
odd odd sound outside of her window she

918
00:31:06,630 --> 00:31:05,200
wakes up she looks out the window and

919
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:06,640
they're in the yard or these red eyes

920
00:31:10,950 --> 00:31:07,760
looking at her

921
00:31:13,269 --> 00:31:10,960
and two weeks later her dad is on

922
00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:13,279
a twa flight out of cincinnati i can't

923
00:31:16,630 --> 00:31:15,120
remember where they were flying

924
00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:16,640
he's on this twa flight out of

925
00:31:20,230 --> 00:31:18,799
cincinnati that crashes into an orchard

926
00:31:23,509 --> 00:31:20,240
on takeoff

927
00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:23,519
and and a lot of people died like uh 18

928
00:31:27,269 --> 00:31:24,640
somewhere somewhere in the neighborhood

929
00:31:29,830 --> 00:31:27,279
of like 18 20 25 people died

930
00:31:30,549 --> 00:31:29,840
on this plane crash her dad did not die

931
00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:30,559
but he was

932
00:31:33,990 --> 00:31:32,159
next to somebody actually pulled someone

933
00:31:35,909 --> 00:31:34,000
off the plane who was who could have

934
00:31:38,310 --> 00:31:35,919
died whose wife died on the plane

935
00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:38,320
so this was a a huge tragedy and in

936
00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:40,320
doing my research on this it's it's one

937
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:42,000
of the most well-known plane crashes in

938
00:31:46,470 --> 00:31:43,440
american history

939
00:31:49,990 --> 00:31:46,480
um and her father lived through it she

940
00:31:53,669 --> 00:31:50,000
sent me the newspaper article yesterday

941
00:31:55,509 --> 00:31:53,679
that shows him in his hospital bed um

942
00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:55,519
anyway that was so unexpected like that

943
00:31:59,269 --> 00:31:57,360
was just not something

944
00:32:00,870 --> 00:31:59,279
we knew was even a part of her story

945
00:32:02,149 --> 00:32:00,880
because i don't know if she didn't feel

946
00:32:05,190 --> 00:32:02,159
that it was as

947
00:32:07,110 --> 00:32:05,200
as impressive as the the

948
00:32:09,269 --> 00:32:07,120
creature on the roof story or what but

949
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:09,279
it was such an interesting story to me

950
00:32:13,509 --> 00:32:12,000
so that that in a way informed the whole

951
00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:13,519
the whole movie going forward because i

952
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:14,960
think you begin with a

953
00:32:19,029 --> 00:32:17,279
a harbinger story and you sort of end

954
00:32:20,710 --> 00:32:19,039
with a harbinger story and the

955
00:32:23,190 --> 00:32:20,720
that those bookending stories are the

956
00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:23,200
ones i that resonate the most with me

957
00:32:26,789 --> 00:32:24,480
less odell

958
00:32:27,750 --> 00:32:26,799
um who's a friend of mine and was

959
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:27,760
actually in

960
00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:29,760
the momo the missouri monster he's one

961
00:32:33,190 --> 00:32:31,679
of the posse members

962
00:32:34,870 --> 00:32:33,200
uh helped us carry all our gear and

963
00:32:37,110 --> 00:32:34,880
everything dude's awesome

964
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:37,120
and he also runs a um a group called

965
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:38,000
west virginia

966
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:41,440
case which is like a

967
00:32:45,269 --> 00:32:43,919
creature i can't remember i always do

968
00:32:47,029 --> 00:32:45,279
this it's some sort of like they

969
00:32:48,149 --> 00:32:47,039
investigate like paranormal cases in

970
00:32:50,789 --> 00:32:48,159
west virginia

971
00:32:52,070 --> 00:32:50,799
um super cool guy but he has he has a

972
00:32:55,509 --> 00:32:52,080
story about

973
00:32:55,990 --> 00:32:55,519
um and it just occurred i think in 2019

974
00:32:58,389 --> 00:32:56,000
if

975
00:33:00,070 --> 00:32:58,399
i'm not mistaken it took place in 2019

976
00:33:03,909 --> 00:33:00,080
when his father was

977
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:03,919
um basically dying his father was

978
00:33:07,590 --> 00:33:05,600
um you know going through a lot of

979
00:33:09,350 --> 00:33:07,600
health issues and less and his brother

980
00:33:12,470 --> 00:33:09,360
had basically moved in the house to

981
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:12,480
help take care of him and one night les

982
00:33:15,590 --> 00:33:14,240
uh woke up in the middle of the night

983
00:33:18,070 --> 00:33:15,600
from a nightmare

984
00:33:19,509 --> 00:33:18,080
he had had this nightmare that his son

985
00:33:21,509 --> 00:33:19,519
uh who shouldn't have been there was

986
00:33:23,430 --> 00:33:21,519
standing next to his bed

987
00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:23,440
and he couldn't figure out why he was

988
00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:24,640
there and and

989
00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:26,880
it really scared him and he wakes up and

990
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:29,760
when he wakes up at the foot of his bed

991
00:33:37,190 --> 00:33:33,120
is this creature and it's a

992
00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:37,200
it's around four feet tall uh wings

993
00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:40,720
and and it was gliding in the air and he

994
00:33:46,870 --> 00:33:44,720
he also said that it sort of like was

995
00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:46,880
uh a little bit like a vcr like when you

996
00:33:50,470 --> 00:33:48,720
have a vhsn or something it had like a

997
00:33:51,830 --> 00:33:50,480
static look to it

998
00:33:53,110 --> 00:33:51,840
which i thought was really interesting

999
00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:53,120
because i've experienced something

1000
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:54,480
similar to that not with a

1001
00:33:59,590 --> 00:33:57,840
winged creature um but anyway he he said

1002
00:34:01,029 --> 00:33:59,600
it glided across the room

1003
00:34:02,710 --> 00:34:01,039
never touched the ground glided across

1004
00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:02,720
the room went through a wall

1005
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:06,000
and um about i think it was a day

1006
00:34:10,149 --> 00:34:09,359
and a half later his father died um so

1007
00:34:11,829 --> 00:34:10,159
he connects

1008
00:34:13,349 --> 00:34:11,839
you know that story with with what

1009
00:34:16,470 --> 00:34:13,359
happened to his father and and

1010
00:34:18,829 --> 00:34:16,480
one of the one of the key parts of that

1011
00:34:21,190 --> 00:34:18,839
is that his father

1012
00:34:21,990 --> 00:34:21,200
had uh claimed to have seen the same

1013
00:34:23,510 --> 00:34:22,000
creature

1014
00:34:25,829 --> 00:34:23,520
a couple of years before which you catch

1015
00:34:27,270 --> 00:34:25,839
at the very end of of that interview

1016
00:34:30,470 --> 00:34:27,280
which is really interesting

1017
00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:30,480
um and then he draws it constantly

1018
00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:33,599
uh he still like even today he's you he

1019
00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:35,200
drew it for a movie you see him drawing

1020
00:34:38,310 --> 00:34:36,480
it in the in the movie

1021
00:34:39,829 --> 00:34:38,320
um he draws this creature this winged

1022
00:34:42,230 --> 00:34:39,839
creature um

1023
00:34:43,750 --> 00:34:42,240
like almost obsessively so i think it's

1024
00:34:46,149 --> 00:34:43,760
it's those are my two

1025
00:34:48,069 --> 00:34:46,159
favorite stories but there's i mean i

1026
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:48,079
love jack patrick's story about seeing

1027
00:34:50,950 --> 00:34:49,440
it in the abandoned building

1028
00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:50,960
mostly because he's got this thing that

1029
00:34:54,790 --> 00:34:53,440
he talks about staring at it for 15

1030
00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:54,800
minutes or whatever and i think that's

1031
00:34:59,829 --> 00:34:56,399
really interesting

1032
00:35:02,630 --> 00:34:59,839
yeah i can't imagine yeah

1033
00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:02,640
i mean staring a mothman in the face i

1034
00:35:05,109 --> 00:35:02,960
mean

1035
00:35:06,870 --> 00:35:05,119
you can't get much better than that um

1036
00:35:09,349 --> 00:35:06,880
well one of the big aspects about the

1037
00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:09,359
film two seth were these recreations

1038
00:35:12,870 --> 00:35:12,560
that you did which were stunning to look

1039
00:35:15,510 --> 00:35:12,880
at

1040
00:35:16,310 --> 00:35:15,520
i mean any special effects artist should

1041
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:16,320
be like

1042
00:35:19,750 --> 00:35:18,960
reaching out to you guys right now about

1043
00:35:23,190 --> 00:35:19,760
that so

1044
00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:23,200
um it really amplified the stories that

1045
00:35:26,950 --> 00:35:24,640
were being told because

1046
00:35:27,670 --> 00:35:26,960
i know as well as anyone else like it's

1047
00:35:29,349 --> 00:35:27,680
some it's

1048
00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:29,359
it's one thing to just sit down put a

1049
00:35:31,670 --> 00:35:30,720
camera in front of someone and have them

1050
00:35:33,510 --> 00:35:31,680
tell a story

1051
00:35:35,109 --> 00:35:33,520
but then to kind of get that

1052
00:35:36,870 --> 00:35:35,119
interpretation from the artist making

1053
00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:36,880
the film is so important so

1054
00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:38,560
can you tell us a little about what the

1055
00:35:42,390 --> 00:35:40,160
special effects process

1056
00:35:44,230 --> 00:35:42,400
was for this film and yeah how you guys

1057
00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:44,240
came to kind of design them

1058
00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:46,560
according to the witness accounts yeah

1059
00:35:50,310 --> 00:35:47,280
um

1060
00:35:54,150 --> 00:35:50,320
the so obviously we we filmed

1061
00:35:56,310 --> 00:35:54,160
during covid so it created a ton of

1062
00:35:57,670 --> 00:35:56,320
challenges as it is for everybody we had

1063
00:36:00,150 --> 00:35:57,680
filmed

1064
00:36:01,109 --> 00:36:00,160
four or five of the interviews in 2019

1065
00:36:02,710 --> 00:36:01,119
but the movie got

1066
00:36:04,390 --> 00:36:02,720
went through numerous delays because i

1067
00:36:05,910 --> 00:36:04,400
was doing post-production on the trail

1068
00:36:08,950 --> 00:36:05,920
of ufos which you were

1069
00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:08,960
a part of um and as

1070
00:36:12,310 --> 00:36:10,480
as i was doing post-production it just

1071
00:36:13,990 --> 00:36:12,320
kept getting pushed further and further

1072
00:36:15,510 --> 00:36:14,000
back getting back out and filming

1073
00:36:17,109 --> 00:36:15,520
and it got to the point where we were

1074
00:36:18,790 --> 00:36:17,119
supposed to film in march and then

1075
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:18,800
obviously everything shuts down

1076
00:36:23,349 --> 00:36:21,599
we didn't get back out until may so by

1077
00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:23,359
the time we got back out there were so

1078
00:36:26,710 --> 00:36:24,000
many

1079
00:36:28,390 --> 00:36:26,720
restrictions in place and people were so

1080
00:36:29,510 --> 00:36:28,400
nervous about being around one another

1081
00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:29,520
and still are

1082
00:36:36,790 --> 00:36:33,520
um that i ended up shooting the bulk

1083
00:36:39,430 --> 00:36:36,800
of the recreations myself um

1084
00:36:40,230 --> 00:36:39,440
just a one-man crew on two of them ron

1085
00:36:43,109 --> 00:36:40,240
lanham's

1086
00:36:44,950 --> 00:36:43,119
and less odell's actually i had aaron

1087
00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:44,960
gaskin helping me

1088
00:36:48,550 --> 00:36:46,800
and actually i'm playing less in

1089
00:36:50,069 --> 00:36:48,560
lester's recreation so don't let that

1090
00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:50,079
turn you away from the movie

1091
00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:53,200
but um yeah it was a really intricate

1092
00:36:59,670 --> 00:36:56,400
uh process uh where

1093
00:37:02,790 --> 00:36:59,680
i because i was filming alone

1094
00:37:06,829 --> 00:37:02,800
i could not rely on on

1095
00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:06,839
those rookie recreations being

1096
00:37:11,670 --> 00:37:09,119
um just it just

1097
00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:11,680
uh intrinsically interesting visually so

1098
00:37:14,950 --> 00:37:12,960
i had to come up with different visual

1099
00:37:17,430 --> 00:37:14,960
elements for each one that would sort of

1100
00:37:19,589 --> 00:37:17,440
you know catch a viewer off guard uh for

1101
00:37:22,710 --> 00:37:19,599
like less odell's we did the rain

1102
00:37:24,550 --> 00:37:22,720
uh it's raining outside um for

1103
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:24,560
jack patrick's there's this theme that i

1104
00:37:29,510 --> 00:37:26,400
ran with visually of like everything

1105
00:37:31,510 --> 00:37:29,520
turning um which was based somewhat on

1106
00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:31,520
the fact that he was pushing a bicycle

1107
00:37:34,230 --> 00:37:32,800
when everything happened so you're in

1108
00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:34,240
the spokes of the the wheel and you're

1109
00:37:37,270 --> 00:37:35,280
turning but also his

1110
00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:37,280
world was somewhat turned upside down

1111
00:37:40,870 --> 00:37:39,200
when he saw that creature that night

1112
00:37:42,870 --> 00:37:40,880
um so we we introduced all these

1113
00:37:46,230 --> 00:37:42,880
interesting visual

1114
00:37:49,670 --> 00:37:46,240
elements to each one of the recreations

1115
00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:49,680
um and then santino vitale who does our

1116
00:37:53,349 --> 00:37:50,560
effects work

1117
00:37:54,310 --> 00:37:53,359
um came in and just did did all the

1118
00:37:56,550 --> 00:37:54,320
creature work that

1119
00:37:58,390 --> 00:37:56,560
that is is really stunning stuff the

1120
00:38:00,550 --> 00:37:58,400
most exciting thing about the movie

1121
00:38:02,069 --> 00:38:00,560
from a filmmaking standpoint standpoint

1122
00:38:05,190 --> 00:38:02,079
for me was that

1123
00:38:05,990 --> 00:38:05,200
we were able to do all the recreations

1124
00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:06,000
ourselves

1125
00:38:09,910 --> 00:38:08,960
so typically we had to rely on uh

1126
00:38:12,069 --> 00:38:09,920
animation and the

1127
00:38:13,510 --> 00:38:12,079
animation's always been great and and

1128
00:38:16,069 --> 00:38:13,520
there is some cg

1129
00:38:17,750 --> 00:38:16,079
effects in this film that are separated

1130
00:38:19,030 --> 00:38:17,760
from the live-action stuff like that

1131
00:38:19,990 --> 00:38:19,040
that aren't a part of the live-action

1132
00:38:26,310 --> 00:38:20,000
recreations

1133
00:38:28,710 --> 00:38:26,320
were shot live-action um and

1134
00:38:30,470 --> 00:38:28,720
and whereas with like the the original

1135
00:38:32,710 --> 00:38:30,480
movie the mothman point pleasant

1136
00:38:34,950 --> 00:38:32,720
five or six of the recreations are like

1137
00:38:36,790 --> 00:38:34,960
two minute long animated sequences

1138
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:36,800
we didn't have to do that we were able

1139
00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:38,400
to do this all in camera so that was

1140
00:38:41,829 --> 00:38:39,599
really exciting

1141
00:38:43,670 --> 00:38:41,839
and um and presented like a ton of

1142
00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:43,680
challenges because

1143
00:38:48,390 --> 00:38:46,880
i'm not zach with a camera i'm not

1144
00:38:50,310 --> 00:38:48,400
i'm i don't fancy myself like a

1145
00:38:53,190 --> 00:38:50,320
cinematographer um

1146
00:38:53,589 --> 00:38:53,200
so to have to do that all on my own um

1147
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:53,599
with

1148
00:39:00,390 --> 00:38:57,440
and stuff like that in the movie was

1149
00:39:02,550 --> 00:39:00,400
was a little a little rough but uh a lot

1150
00:39:04,710 --> 00:39:02,560
of fun at the same time

1151
00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:04,720
i can imagine again that you can hear it

1152
00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:05,760
in your voice

1153
00:39:09,510 --> 00:39:08,720
how much the uh creative process still

1154
00:39:11,030 --> 00:39:09,520
is fun

1155
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:11,040
and i think that's what's most important

1156
00:39:14,630 --> 00:39:12,960
when it comes to this stuff because you

1157
00:39:16,870 --> 00:39:14,640
deal with some heavy stuff

1158
00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:16,880
in your films and some of these people's

1159
00:39:20,710 --> 00:39:18,960
lives they're traumatic events

1160
00:39:22,470 --> 00:39:20,720
to a lot of people i deal with that in

1161
00:39:25,510 --> 00:39:22,480
the alien abduction realm as well

1162
00:39:28,550 --> 00:39:25,520
so um to give to justify the story

1163
00:39:31,990 --> 00:39:28,560
you're being told with such accurate and

1164
00:39:33,589 --> 00:39:32,000
uh extremely well done animation special

1165
00:39:36,550 --> 00:39:33,599
effects recreations i think

1166
00:39:38,950 --> 00:39:36,560
is what makes this film uh i'm gonna be

1167
00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:38,960
honest one of the best you've had so far

1168
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:41,040
uh if you want my personal opinion i

1169
00:39:45,829 --> 00:39:42,960
just i was blown away from

1170
00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:45,839
the first minute to the last minute and

1171
00:39:48,790 --> 00:39:46,560
oh man

1172
00:39:50,630 --> 00:39:48,800
i won't say anything but the end of this

1173
00:39:54,150 --> 00:39:50,640
film is uh

1174
00:39:56,230 --> 00:39:54,160
really really shot in my bedroom

1175
00:39:57,750 --> 00:39:56,240
shot in my bedroom too broad daylight

1176
00:40:00,230 --> 00:39:57,760
bedroom and that

1177
00:40:01,510 --> 00:40:00,240
that ending shot is like if to to me

1178
00:40:05,349 --> 00:40:01,520
that's the real

1179
00:40:07,910 --> 00:40:05,359
um that's like the one where you can see

1180
00:40:09,670 --> 00:40:07,920
the the talent of like santino on

1181
00:40:09,990 --> 00:40:09,680
display because he took a shot that was

1182
00:40:11,430 --> 00:40:10,000
really

1183
00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:11,440
pretty pretty bland because we didn't

1184
00:40:14,230 --> 00:40:12,720
have anything to work with and turned it

1185
00:40:17,910 --> 00:40:14,240
into something really cool

1186
00:40:19,510 --> 00:40:17,920
um but yeah that the i'm excited that

1187
00:40:20,870 --> 00:40:19,520
people are responding to this one

1188
00:40:23,109 --> 00:40:20,880
especially the look of it

1189
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:23,119
um i think there is like a unique look

1190
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:24,720
to this one that stands apart from some

1191
00:40:28,710 --> 00:40:26,400
of our other stuff

1192
00:40:30,069 --> 00:40:28,720
absolutely i couldn't agree more um well

1193
00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:30,079
that's all the questions i have for you

1194
00:40:32,550 --> 00:40:31,440
seth but i've got a few listener

1195
00:40:34,069 --> 00:40:32,560
questions if you're willing to stick

1196
00:40:36,790 --> 00:40:34,079
around for this

1197
00:40:37,349 --> 00:40:36,800
cool cool awesome and um again this is

1198
00:40:39,990 --> 00:40:37,359
such a

1199
00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:40,000
supportive community of podcasters i

1200
00:40:42,950 --> 00:40:41,440
can't stress that enough

1201
00:40:45,349 --> 00:40:42,960
how amazing it is so a lot of these

1202
00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:45,359
questions came from other podcasters who

1203
00:40:50,710 --> 00:40:47,920
are itching to interview as well but um

1204
00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:50,720
here we go andy from that ufo podcast

1205
00:40:53,190 --> 00:40:51,440
asks

1206
00:40:55,109 --> 00:40:53,200
what are some of the myths you could

1207
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:55,119
bust around mothman

1208
00:40:59,109 --> 00:40:57,839
anything you can think of oh god now

1209
00:41:01,510 --> 00:40:59,119
he's asking this and i'm gonna

1210
00:41:02,870 --> 00:41:01,520
i probably have dozens and i can't well

1211
00:41:05,109 --> 00:41:02,880
i mean the thing to me

1212
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:05,119
like i just don't buy into the mothman's

1213
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:06,640
connection to the silver bridge

1214
00:41:11,829 --> 00:41:08,960
i never i like i never had that because

1215
00:41:13,510 --> 00:41:11,839
the idea is right the mothman showed up

1216
00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:13,520
uh 13 months prior to the bridge

1217
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:14,800
collapse and then there's this bridge

1218
00:41:17,270 --> 00:41:15,359
collapse

1219
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:17,280
13 13 months later first of all it

1220
00:41:21,190 --> 00:41:18,880
wasn't 13 months that he was

1221
00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:21,200
he was cited in in like october or

1222
00:41:26,069 --> 00:41:22,240
september

1223
00:41:26,710 --> 00:41:26,079
of 1966 so that's that's more like 15

1224
00:41:28,150 --> 00:41:26,720
months from

1225
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:28,160
from the first sighting to the bridge

1226
00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:30,000
collapse and then the sightings don't

1227
00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:31,680
stop with the bridge collapse they

1228
00:41:35,670 --> 00:41:34,720
they're just the reporting on them

1229
00:41:38,390 --> 00:41:35,680
ceases

1230
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:38,400
and talking about them kind of stops

1231
00:41:42,550 --> 00:41:40,079
around point pleasant but as far as

1232
00:41:43,670 --> 00:41:42,560
as you know there being a connection to

1233
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:43,680
the silver bridge

1234
00:41:47,109 --> 00:41:46,800
i i've i hesitate to make it because i

1235
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:47,119
don't

1236
00:41:51,270 --> 00:41:49,920
actually see that connection for myself

1237
00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:51,280
i think we

1238
00:41:55,190 --> 00:41:53,680
we write that onto that story because

1239
00:41:57,270 --> 00:41:55,200
there was a tragedy

1240
00:41:59,030 --> 00:41:57,280
you know at a certain point during a

1241
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:59,040
year where the where the mothman was

1242
00:42:02,150 --> 00:41:59,760
cited

1243
00:42:03,990 --> 00:42:02,160
um there's a lot of myths about the

1244
00:42:05,829 --> 00:42:04,000
mothman that i can probably bust and i

1245
00:42:07,829 --> 00:42:05,839
just cannot think of them

1246
00:42:09,510 --> 00:42:07,839
right now i'm terrible that's totally

1247
00:42:10,870 --> 00:42:09,520
fine no no not at all

1248
00:42:12,870 --> 00:42:10,880
but i think you stress the most

1249
00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:12,880
important thing is uh

1250
00:42:15,990 --> 00:42:14,640
the the bridge collapse which now

1251
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:16,000
everyone connects and then

1252
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:17,760
that's when you start to build on to

1253
00:42:21,270 --> 00:42:20,400
this idea that mothman is a harbinger of

1254
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:21,280
doom and

1255
00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:23,599
i mean it kind of reminds me of you know

1256
00:42:29,190 --> 00:42:25,920
the first flying saucer event

1257
00:42:31,990 --> 00:42:29,200
uh with kenneth arnold back in 47 he

1258
00:42:33,589 --> 00:42:32,000
said that these craft looked like

1259
00:42:35,829 --> 00:42:33,599
saucers skipping off

1260
00:42:37,109 --> 00:42:35,839
a body of water right he didn't say they

1261
00:42:39,349 --> 00:42:37,119
were saucer shaped

1262
00:42:41,670 --> 00:42:39,359
but then look everything after that a

1263
00:42:43,990 --> 00:42:41,680
miss quote i guess in the newspaper

1264
00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:44,000
of flying saucers everyone saw flying

1265
00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:45,280
saucers after that

1266
00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:47,280
so again it's kind of building onto that

1267
00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:49,200
story and having it

1268
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:51,920
uh influence everyone's accounts

1269
00:42:54,790 --> 00:42:52,720
thereafter

1270
00:42:55,829 --> 00:42:54,800
so you have to wonder and i think that's

1271
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:55,839
a really cool

1272
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:58,800
thing um and that's huge you know that

1273
00:43:01,670 --> 00:43:00,240
the bridge collapse is not part of it

1274
00:43:03,829 --> 00:43:01,680
because a lot of the mainstream that's

1275
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:03,839
all they know from the movie so um

1276
00:43:07,270 --> 00:43:06,480
that's cool um all right yami from the

1277
00:43:10,309 --> 00:43:07,280
cryptid chat

1278
00:43:12,230 --> 00:43:10,319
podcast asks seth what is what is it

1279
00:43:15,190 --> 00:43:12,240
about mothman specifically

1280
00:43:15,750 --> 00:43:15,200
that you think draws people to him or it

1281
00:43:19,990 --> 00:43:15,760
or her

1282
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:20,000
i don't know yeah i just did a whole

1283
00:43:23,589 --> 00:43:22,000
interview with latino review about this

1284
00:43:25,109 --> 00:43:23,599
and we talked about it for like 15

1285
00:43:27,030 --> 00:43:25,119
minutes because that was like

1286
00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:27,040
it that question came at like the

1287
00:43:30,550 --> 00:43:29,200
perfect time today and then because we

1288
00:43:31,349 --> 00:43:30,560
had just been having this discussion

1289
00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:31,359
about that in

1290
00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:34,400
in our in in one of the group threads on

1291
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:37,440
the stm uh group on facebook

1292
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:42,000
um i i personally

1293
00:43:45,510 --> 00:43:43,920
this is going to be comical coming off

1294
00:43:47,349 --> 00:43:45,520
someone who just claimed that there was

1295
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:47,359
no connection between the the mothman

1296
00:43:50,910 --> 00:43:48,160
the silver bridge

1297
00:43:53,670 --> 00:43:50,920
but i personally believe that it is that

1298
00:43:56,950 --> 00:43:53,680
1966 67 story

1299
00:44:00,870 --> 00:43:56,960
that that excites people it's a it's

1300
00:44:02,710 --> 00:44:00,880
a it's a 3x structured story

1301
00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:02,720
with a beginning middle and an end which

1302
00:44:07,589 --> 00:44:04,240
you do not get

1303
00:44:09,910 --> 00:44:07,599
in cryptid or paranormal stories

1304
00:44:10,710 --> 00:44:09,920
traditionally you know like usually it's

1305
00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:10,720
more like what

1306
00:44:13,910 --> 00:44:12,480
what you know you see with something

1307
00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:13,920
like boggy creek monster where it's

1308
00:44:16,390 --> 00:44:15,520
these sightings that keep going and you

1309
00:44:19,309 --> 00:44:16,400
know there's no

1310
00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:19,319
there's multiple people involved the the

1311
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:21,359
6667 wave of sightings

1312
00:44:25,829 --> 00:44:24,000
involves like some key characters like

1313
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:25,839
there's these people like like keel

1314
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:29,040
and higher and uh and and

1315
00:44:33,190 --> 00:44:30,960
the scarberries and the mallets and then

1316
00:44:34,790 --> 00:44:33,200
you've got this sighting of the mothman

1317
00:44:36,790 --> 00:44:34,800
you've got all these other elements

1318
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:36,800
too like from a story standpoint that

1319
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:38,400
that story has everything

1320
00:44:41,670 --> 00:44:40,880
it's got men in black and ufos and

1321
00:44:45,270 --> 00:44:41,680
excitement

1322
00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:45,280
and horror and tragedy and i think

1323
00:44:48,550 --> 00:44:47,440
that at least initially is what draws

1324
00:44:51,510 --> 00:44:48,560
people to

1325
00:44:52,950 --> 00:44:51,520
the moth man um because as a creature

1326
00:44:54,630 --> 00:44:52,960
just as a creature

1327
00:44:56,309 --> 00:44:54,640
there's nothing that really separates

1328
00:44:57,990 --> 00:44:56,319
the mothman that much from

1329
00:44:59,349 --> 00:44:58,000
you know like a thunderbird or some of

1330
00:45:02,870 --> 00:44:59,359
those other traditional

1331
00:45:05,190 --> 00:45:02,880
stories but because of that 66 67 wave

1332
00:45:06,630 --> 00:45:05,200
you have mothman taking on the role of a

1333
00:45:10,950 --> 00:45:06,640
harbinger of doom

1334
00:45:12,309 --> 00:45:10,960
or um or a creature who's warning us of

1335
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:12,319
oncoming tragedy

1336
00:45:16,150 --> 00:45:14,880
either way he takes on this identity

1337
00:45:18,790 --> 00:45:16,160
that might not have

1338
00:45:20,550 --> 00:45:18,800
existed without that that wave without

1339
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:20,560
that story

1340
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:22,560
interesting yeah yeah you're right i

1341
00:45:26,710 --> 00:45:24,160
mean it is a perfect

1342
00:45:28,870 --> 00:45:26,720
it's almost a screenplay written without

1343
00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:28,880
having to have a screenwriter yeah

1344
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:31,440
yeah but yeah and i think it again it's

1345
00:45:33,829 --> 00:45:33,200
it's sort of a gateway into all this you

1346
00:45:35,990 --> 00:45:33,839
know

1347
00:45:37,510 --> 00:45:36,000
we hear about it from the the infamous

1348
00:45:39,910 --> 00:45:37,520
story of the bridge and everything

1349
00:45:41,430 --> 00:45:39,920
or the movie and then you can really

1350
00:45:43,109 --> 00:45:41,440
start to focus on the

1351
00:45:45,190 --> 00:45:43,119
individual stories of those who have

1352
00:45:48,550 --> 00:45:45,200
cited it so i think that's pretty cool

1353
00:45:51,430 --> 00:45:48,560
um awesome well lake on twitter asks

1354
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:51,440
have um have you ever did you ever have

1355
00:45:55,109 --> 00:45:53,040
any patterns of uh

1356
00:45:56,069 --> 00:45:55,119
electronic disturbances or anything when

1357
00:45:58,950 --> 00:45:56,079
you've been in

1358
00:46:00,790 --> 00:45:58,960
uh in west virginia point pleasant any

1359
00:46:02,710 --> 00:46:00,800
interesting stories you can see

1360
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:02,720
yeah i mean that's the thing that you

1361
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:03,920
hear about with

1362
00:46:07,270 --> 00:46:05,760
so there's two two places you hear about

1363
00:46:09,510 --> 00:46:07,280
that constantly one is

1364
00:46:11,430 --> 00:46:09,520
adams tennessee with the bellwich we

1365
00:46:12,710 --> 00:46:11,440
experienced nothing there relating to

1366
00:46:15,990 --> 00:46:12,720
our electronics

1367
00:46:17,829 --> 00:46:16,000
um with the mothman with mothman and

1368
00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:17,839
point pleasant supposedly when film

1369
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:19,920
crews or like paranormal investigating

1370
00:46:22,230 --> 00:46:21,359
groups or whatever come to point

1371
00:46:24,950 --> 00:46:22,240
pleasant

1372
00:46:26,790 --> 00:46:24,960
they run into all sorts of like

1373
00:46:27,990 --> 00:46:26,800
electrical interference and batteries

1374
00:46:30,309 --> 00:46:28,000
draining and lights

1375
00:46:31,349 --> 00:46:30,319
turning off and all this kind of stuff

1376
00:46:33,030 --> 00:46:31,359
we

1377
00:46:34,950 --> 00:46:33,040
during the making of mothman and point

1378
00:46:36,870 --> 00:46:34,960
pleasant experienced none of that and we

1379
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:36,880
were there for extended periods of time

1380
00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:38,400
however

1381
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:40,480
during the making of weirdly enough

1382
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:42,000
terror in the skies we did not

1383
00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:43,680
experience this again during the mothman

1384
00:46:48,069 --> 00:46:45,760
of legacy this was only during terrion

1385
00:46:49,510 --> 00:46:48,079
and the skies we filmed two interviews

1386
00:46:52,390 --> 00:46:49,520
that are in terror in the skies

1387
00:46:53,589 --> 00:46:52,400
in the state theater on main street in

1388
00:46:55,990 --> 00:46:53,599
point pleasant

1389
00:46:57,910 --> 00:46:56,000
and one was with ken gerhart and the

1390
00:47:01,109 --> 00:46:57,920
other was with alison jordanland

1391
00:47:01,750 --> 00:47:01,119
and during both interviews we

1392
00:47:04,710 --> 00:47:01,760
experienced

1393
00:47:06,309 --> 00:47:04,720
two really bizarre one of these things

1394
00:47:06,710 --> 00:47:06,319
is not that bizarre now that i know more

1395
00:47:09,109 --> 00:47:06,720
about

1396
00:47:09,829 --> 00:47:09,119
what's under the stage at the state

1397
00:47:13,030 --> 00:47:09,839
theater

1398
00:47:15,670 --> 00:47:13,040
but um we experienced two really bizarre

1399
00:47:16,309 --> 00:47:15,680
uh i hesitate to call them phenomena but

1400
00:47:19,109 --> 00:47:16,319
strange

1401
00:47:21,670 --> 00:47:19,119
occurrences um during ken's interview we

1402
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:21,680
were besieged by flies

1403
00:47:26,470 --> 00:47:24,960
um which was really it seemed odd at the

1404
00:47:28,549 --> 00:47:26,480
time i mean they were everywhere

1405
00:47:29,510 --> 00:47:28,559
and and they came from out of nowhere

1406
00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:29,520
but there were all of a sudden these

1407
00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:30,640
flies all over us

1408
00:47:34,630 --> 00:47:32,720
i've since learned that there are sewer

1409
00:47:36,150 --> 00:47:34,640
issues under the stage there so that's

1410
00:47:38,150 --> 00:47:36,160
more than likely what was happening

1411
00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:38,160
there but during that interview we kept

1412
00:47:42,309 --> 00:47:40,319
having his microphone go out

1413
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:42,319
um which was weird and then during

1414
00:47:47,589 --> 00:47:44,160
allison's the batteries

1415
00:47:49,349 --> 00:47:47,599
we would put a battery on a light and it

1416
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:49,359
would drain almost automatically

1417
00:47:54,150 --> 00:47:50,880
and this happened multiple times to the

1418
00:47:56,950 --> 00:47:54,160
point where we we were forced to do

1419
00:47:58,309 --> 00:47:56,960
uh we were forced to run um extension

1420
00:47:59,829 --> 00:47:58,319
cords to the lights because the

1421
00:48:00,790 --> 00:47:59,839
batteries were draining so quickly and

1422
00:48:03,349 --> 00:48:00,800
they were full

1423
00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:03,359
fully charged um and one thing about

1424
00:48:08,710 --> 00:48:04,960
that state theater that's strange

1425
00:48:11,109 --> 00:48:08,720
is that um tragic and strange

1426
00:48:13,510 --> 00:48:11,119
after the collapse of the silver bridge

1427
00:48:15,430 --> 00:48:13,520
you know you're talking december of 1967

1428
00:48:17,670 --> 00:48:15,440
it's a really cold day

1429
00:48:19,750 --> 00:48:17,680
they brought the bodies for

1430
00:48:21,430 --> 00:48:19,760
identification to the state theater and

1431
00:48:24,150 --> 00:48:21,440
put them in the state theater

1432
00:48:26,630 --> 00:48:24,160
and i believe they were in that theater

1433
00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:26,640
for at least two days

1434
00:48:30,150 --> 00:48:28,079
they turned the air conditioning in the

1435
00:48:32,309 --> 00:48:30,160
building on full blast and

1436
00:48:34,710 --> 00:48:32,319
that's where the bodies were left for

1437
00:48:37,510 --> 00:48:34,720
identification was in the state theater

1438
00:48:38,150 --> 00:48:37,520
um so there is a tragic history to that

1439
00:48:40,950 --> 00:48:38,160
building

1440
00:48:42,230 --> 00:48:40,960
um i don't know that that that's what

1441
00:48:43,589 --> 00:48:42,240
drained our batteries but that's the

1442
00:48:45,510 --> 00:48:43,599
only thing we've experienced

1443
00:48:47,510 --> 00:48:45,520
in point pleasant is is our batteries

1444
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:47,520
draining in the state theater

1445
00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:49,920
and ken being covered in flies to the

1446
00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:51,119
point where when i was

1447
00:48:55,270 --> 00:48:52,960
when i was cutting his interview i had

1448
00:48:57,270 --> 00:48:55,280
to cut around the flies landing on his

1449
00:49:00,150 --> 00:48:57,280
face like it was that bad

1450
00:49:00,630 --> 00:49:00,160
oh man that that i'm sure that was tough

1451
00:49:03,270 --> 00:49:00,640
yeah

1452
00:49:05,430 --> 00:49:03,280
well again just running with that whole

1453
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:05,440
winged creature thing now you got fly

1454
00:49:08,069 --> 00:49:06,480
swarming everywhere

1455
00:49:09,589 --> 00:49:08,079
but um i didn't know that that they

1456
00:49:10,150 --> 00:49:09,599
stored the bodies there i mean that's

1457
00:49:12,309 --> 00:49:10,160
just

1458
00:49:14,309 --> 00:49:12,319
a plethora of paranormal you know

1459
00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:14,319
supernatural possibilities

1460
00:49:17,910 --> 00:49:16,480
as well so that's interesting you do

1461
00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:17,920
have to wonder um

1462
00:49:21,349 --> 00:49:20,480
well uh you must you mentioned allison

1463
00:49:23,829 --> 00:49:21,359
jordanlin

1464
00:49:25,990 --> 00:49:23,839
who is very well known for having

1465
00:49:29,109 --> 00:49:26,000
investigated mothman sightings in

1466
00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:29,119
chicago and areas around there

1467
00:49:32,710 --> 00:49:30,880
we have another listener question here

1468
00:49:34,790 --> 00:49:32,720
from rick m who asks

1469
00:49:35,910 --> 00:49:34,800
being from chicago i would like to know

1470
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:35,920
if there have been

1471
00:49:40,790 --> 00:49:39,119
any mib or intra-cold-like activity

1472
00:49:42,309 --> 00:49:40,800
going along with all of the sightings

1473
00:49:44,150 --> 00:49:42,319
we've had in chicago

1474
00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:44,160
do you know anything um i know you're

1475
00:49:47,829 --> 00:49:45,760
working on a project

1476
00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:47,839
that takes place you know over lake

1477
00:49:51,670 --> 00:49:49,680
michigan and whatnot so

1478
00:49:53,109 --> 00:49:51,680
yeah do you think we're dealing with the

1479
00:49:56,710 --> 00:49:53,119
same creature from

1480
00:49:59,910 --> 00:49:56,720
west west virginia and in chicago seth

1481
00:50:01,910 --> 00:49:59,920
i don't i don't know that there

1482
00:50:03,829 --> 00:50:01,920
is a connection so much as they needed

1483
00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:03,839
to brand it something and the media

1484
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:05,760
sort of dubbed it the mothman there are

1485
00:50:08,150 --> 00:50:07,680
some similarities between what's going

1486
00:50:11,109 --> 00:50:08,160
on there

1487
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:11,119
in that what people are seeing

1488
00:50:13,670 --> 00:50:12,000
occasionally does

1489
00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:13,680
seem like just some sort of large bird

1490
00:50:16,870 --> 00:50:15,599
or something but but more often than not

1491
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:16,880
the sightings that are happening there

1492
00:50:21,990 --> 00:50:19,440
do take on like a paranormal

1493
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:22,000
nature um you know or people are talking

1494
00:50:24,950 --> 00:50:23,359
about the creature being so black that

1495
00:50:26,069 --> 00:50:24,960
it's like staring into nothing and that

1496
00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:26,079
kind of thing

1497
00:50:31,510 --> 00:50:29,680
um uh so so yeah i don't know that we're

1498
00:50:34,069 --> 00:50:31,520
dealing with the same

1499
00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:34,079
phenomenon as what happened in point

1500
00:50:36,630 --> 00:50:35,200
pleasant but at the same time i don't

1501
00:50:38,950 --> 00:50:36,640
think there was one

1502
00:50:40,230 --> 00:50:38,960
phenomenon to blame for for the mothman

1503
00:50:41,030 --> 00:50:40,240
point pleasant either i think there was

1504
00:50:43,990 --> 00:50:41,040
a lot of

1505
00:50:46,069 --> 00:50:44,000
different things happening that that

1506
00:50:48,630 --> 00:50:46,079
contributed to the mothman story

1507
00:50:50,069 --> 00:50:48,640
not just you know ignoring men in black

1508
00:50:51,670 --> 00:50:50,079
and ufos i'm talking about

1509
00:50:53,030 --> 00:50:51,680
what was responsible for what people

1510
00:50:54,309 --> 00:50:53,040
were calling the mothman i think it was

1511
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:54,319
multiple things

1512
00:50:59,430 --> 00:50:58,079
um and so i i'm really interested in

1513
00:51:00,069 --> 00:50:59,440
what's going on in chicago we're going

1514
00:51:01,670 --> 00:51:00,079
to head there

1515
00:51:03,349 --> 00:51:01,680
at the beginning of december to make our

1516
00:51:05,190 --> 00:51:03,359
movie um and it's going to be the first

1517
00:51:05,670 --> 00:51:05,200
like full-scale investigative look we've

1518
00:51:08,230 --> 00:51:05,680
done

1519
00:51:10,150 --> 00:51:08,240
at one of these cases as it's happening

1520
00:51:12,069 --> 00:51:10,160
we're not even really

1521
00:51:13,670 --> 00:51:12,079
setting up advanced interviews other

1522
00:51:15,270 --> 00:51:13,680
than we're going to interview allison

1523
00:51:16,710 --> 00:51:15,280
we're going to interview tobias

1524
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:16,720
i'm going to make sure that you know we

1525
00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:18,720
have those two talking about the case

1526
00:51:23,109 --> 00:51:19,440
but

1527
00:51:25,190 --> 00:51:23,119
um we're we're going there to literally

1528
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:25,200
get answers this time or any answers we

1529
00:51:28,390 --> 00:51:26,240
can actually

1530
00:51:29,430 --> 00:51:28,400
drum up in in the short span of time

1531
00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:29,440
given to a film

1532
00:51:33,510 --> 00:51:32,160
production um and we've never done that

1533
00:51:35,510 --> 00:51:33,520
and i've always wanted to try to do that

1534
00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:35,520
so that's going to be my goal with that

1535
00:51:39,589 --> 00:51:37,200
with that movie and i don't know about

1536
00:51:40,870 --> 00:51:39,599
like injured cold or ufo activity taking

1537
00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:40,880
place i mean it's chicago so there's

1538
00:51:45,190 --> 00:51:42,720
going to be ufo activity but

1539
00:51:46,150 --> 00:51:45,200
i don't know how much is taking place in

1540
00:51:48,549 --> 00:51:46,160
connection with

1541
00:51:49,589 --> 00:51:48,559
with the uh the so-called mothman

1542
00:51:52,710 --> 00:51:49,599
sightings

1543
00:51:56,309 --> 00:51:52,720
yeah and i know uh tobias

1544
00:51:59,589 --> 00:51:56,319
uh personally uh researched

1545
00:52:01,349 --> 00:51:59,599
the chicago o'hare ufo incident which is

1546
00:52:03,510 --> 00:52:01,359
very famous now and um

1547
00:52:04,390 --> 00:52:03,520
also wind humanoid creatures i believe

1548
00:52:06,069 --> 00:52:04,400
being cited

1549
00:52:08,950 --> 00:52:06,079
in that same area so again you have to

1550
00:52:11,349 --> 00:52:08,960
wonder the same with point pleasant like

1551
00:52:13,030 --> 00:52:11,359
was one door open where all different

1552
00:52:14,150 --> 00:52:13,040
phenomena started coming through or

1553
00:52:16,069 --> 00:52:14,160
peeking in

1554
00:52:17,349 --> 00:52:16,079
you don't know but um i i can't wait to

1555
00:52:19,349 --> 00:52:17,359
see what you guys do with that

1556
00:52:21,750 --> 00:52:19,359
and we should mention in uh mothman

1557
00:52:22,630 --> 00:52:21,760
legacy you do post theories on what

1558
00:52:24,870 --> 00:52:22,640
mothman could be

1559
00:52:26,790 --> 00:52:24,880
according to each cultural background

1560
00:52:27,349 --> 00:52:26,800
and what i thought was really cool as

1561
00:52:29,829 --> 00:52:27,359
well

1562
00:52:31,750 --> 00:52:29,839
um we'll let definitely let the viewers

1563
00:52:32,710 --> 00:52:31,760
question those theories themselves but

1564
00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:32,720
um

1565
00:52:35,910 --> 00:52:35,280
the bigfoot society podcast on twitter

1566
00:52:38,069 --> 00:52:35,920
asks

1567
00:52:40,069 --> 00:52:38,079
what is it that you hope that viewers of

1568
00:52:42,230 --> 00:52:40,079
the mothman legacy will take away from

1569
00:52:45,190 --> 00:52:42,240
watching the film

1570
00:52:46,470 --> 00:52:45,200
oh just a sense of like the importance

1571
00:52:48,870 --> 00:52:46,480
of story

1572
00:52:49,589 --> 00:52:48,880
um like that i think that's the most

1573
00:52:53,430 --> 00:52:49,599
that's the

1574
00:52:55,750 --> 00:52:53,440
the theme of the movie um if you look at

1575
00:52:56,790 --> 00:52:55,760
ashley and her dad and ashley and jeff

1576
00:52:59,109 --> 00:52:56,800
walmsley

1577
00:53:01,430 --> 00:52:59,119
you know that there's two generations

1578
00:53:02,870 --> 00:53:01,440
there and she's grown up with this story

1579
00:53:06,150 --> 00:53:02,880
being told to her

1580
00:53:07,030 --> 00:53:06,160
and and she's seen the positive effects

1581
00:53:09,750 --> 00:53:07,040
of that story

1582
00:53:10,950 --> 00:53:09,760
on not only her own life but the the

1583
00:53:12,390 --> 00:53:10,960
people in that town

1584
00:53:13,910 --> 00:53:12,400
it's interesting i'm friends with ashley

1585
00:53:16,309 --> 00:53:13,920
on facebook and like yesterday her

1586
00:53:19,589 --> 00:53:16,319
husband posted a picture of their son

1587
00:53:21,510 --> 00:53:19,599
and and said how excited um

1588
00:53:22,790 --> 00:53:21,520
it'd be jeff's grandson is every time he

1589
00:53:25,589 --> 00:53:22,800
sees his paw paw

1590
00:53:26,309 --> 00:53:25,599
on on tv and that is because of the

1591
00:53:29,670 --> 00:53:26,319
mothman

1592
00:53:31,829 --> 00:53:29,680
you know so there there is a uh

1593
00:53:33,670 --> 00:53:31,839
this stuff that we grow up with these

1594
00:53:36,710 --> 00:53:33,680
the stories we grew up with it might

1595
00:53:39,190 --> 00:53:36,720
seem at the time uh to be so

1596
00:53:40,390 --> 00:53:39,200
unimportant or such a tangential part of

1597
00:53:41,910 --> 00:53:40,400
our upbringing

1598
00:53:43,510 --> 00:53:41,920
later in life you really start to

1599
00:53:46,309 --> 00:53:43,520
appreciate that stuff

1600
00:53:46,790 --> 00:53:46,319
and um you can take that the movie looks

1601
00:53:48,309 --> 00:53:46,800
at it

1602
00:53:50,790 --> 00:53:48,319
in a much bigger way you know with

1603
00:53:53,589 --> 00:53:50,800
generations and cultures and

1604
00:53:54,150 --> 00:53:53,599
uh the cultural heritage of people but

1605
00:53:56,790 --> 00:53:54,160
um

1606
00:53:57,670 --> 00:53:56,800
on a ground level it's really about you

1607
00:53:59,990 --> 00:53:57,680
know telling

1608
00:54:00,790 --> 00:54:00,000
telling stories to your children or or

1609
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:00,800
grandchild

1610
00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:04,000
importance that that

1611
00:54:09,270 --> 00:54:06,000
that has you know that that brings with

1612
00:54:11,349 --> 00:54:09,280
it absolutely and i think also

1613
00:54:12,549 --> 00:54:11,359
uh the focus on the individual you did

1614
00:54:13,510 --> 00:54:12,559
such a good job of putting the

1615
00:54:15,190 --> 00:54:13,520
microscope

1616
00:54:16,630 --> 00:54:15,200
on these people in the film and how the

1617
00:54:18,870 --> 00:54:16,640
events affected them again

1618
00:54:20,710 --> 00:54:18,880
like it's cool to hear a story about it

1619
00:54:22,710 --> 00:54:20,720
it's the same in with ufos like

1620
00:54:24,870 --> 00:54:22,720
how big was it what did it look like

1621
00:54:26,950 --> 00:54:24,880
great like what happened but

1622
00:54:28,390 --> 00:54:26,960
how did it impact your life thereafter

1623
00:54:30,470 --> 00:54:28,400
your belief systems the

1624
00:54:31,589 --> 00:54:30,480
the community everything around it so

1625
00:54:33,270 --> 00:54:31,599
yeah i thought that was a really

1626
00:54:33,910 --> 00:54:33,280
fascinating approach you took in this

1627
00:54:36,630 --> 00:54:33,920
film

1628
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:36,640
and um i loved it man i i can flat out

1629
00:54:39,510 --> 00:54:37,200
say

1630
00:54:40,870 --> 00:54:39,520
like i was i'm a huge fan of this movie

1631
00:54:43,270 --> 00:54:40,880
fan of everything you do my

1632
00:54:44,870 --> 00:54:43,280
my listeners know that but uh uh our

1633
00:54:45,990 --> 00:54:44,880
last listener question here comes from

1634
00:54:48,150 --> 00:54:46,000
scott on twitter

1635
00:54:49,030 --> 00:54:48,160
and he asks i guess i'd be interested in

1636
00:54:51,270 --> 00:54:49,040
how

1637
00:54:52,069 --> 00:54:51,280
seth and his team stay objected

1638
00:54:54,710 --> 00:54:52,079
throughout the whole

1639
00:54:56,390 --> 00:54:54,720
process from discovery all the way

1640
00:54:59,829 --> 00:54:56,400
through to the final edit

1641
00:55:02,549 --> 00:54:59,839
i mean you've covered so much

1642
00:55:04,069 --> 00:55:02,559
paranormal phenomena cryptids ufos in

1643
00:55:05,349 --> 00:55:04,079
all your time doing this stuff like how

1644
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:05,359
do you guys

1645
00:55:08,470 --> 00:55:06,960
how do you go day to day after you're

1646
00:55:09,030 --> 00:55:08,480
hearing these profound stories from

1647
00:55:12,150 --> 00:55:09,040
people

1648
00:55:14,470 --> 00:55:12,160
and uh yeah what's it like buying coffee

1649
00:55:15,829 --> 00:55:14,480
in the morning when you just interviewed

1650
00:55:17,670 --> 00:55:15,839
someone who said you know they were

1651
00:55:19,990 --> 00:55:17,680
abducted by aliens or they

1652
00:55:22,870 --> 00:55:20,000
saw a winged creature that you know

1653
00:55:25,990 --> 00:55:22,880
brought about destruction

1654
00:55:27,990 --> 00:55:26,000
like things are easy for us because we

1655
00:55:30,069 --> 00:55:28,000
don't ha like we don't set out to

1656
00:55:33,589 --> 00:55:30,079
convince anybody of anything

1657
00:55:36,150 --> 00:55:33,599
so so i find it easy to treat

1658
00:55:37,430 --> 00:55:36,160
witnesses simply as people who have a

1659
00:55:40,870 --> 00:55:37,440
story to tell

1660
00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:40,880
and you you i believe that

1661
00:55:46,230 --> 00:55:44,240
most of the people we interview 100

1662
00:55:47,510 --> 00:55:46,240
believe that that what they say happened

1663
00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:47,520
to them happened to them

1664
00:55:51,190 --> 00:55:49,440
i don't i don't write it off and i and i

1665
00:55:51,510 --> 00:55:51,200
hate i also have said recently i don't

1666
00:55:55,589 --> 00:55:51,520
like

1667
00:55:57,109 --> 00:55:55,599
aspect of saying that that that i

1668
00:55:58,390 --> 00:55:57,119
bristle act because it does sound like

1669
00:55:59,030 --> 00:55:58,400
i'm questioning their sanity or

1670
00:56:01,910 --> 00:55:59,040
something it's

1671
00:56:03,589 --> 00:56:01,920
it's not that at all um i've had weird

1672
00:56:06,950 --> 00:56:03,599
things happen to me as well

1673
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:06,960
so when it when it comes down to like

1674
00:56:10,630 --> 00:56:10,160
making the films we don't try to put our

1675
00:56:13,589 --> 00:56:10,640
own

1676
00:56:15,270 --> 00:56:13,599
spin on things because that's not what

1677
00:56:17,510 --> 00:56:15,280
we're supposed to do

1678
00:56:19,109 --> 00:56:17,520
like like you know this better than

1679
00:56:22,150 --> 00:56:19,119
anyone like as a

1680
00:56:25,190 --> 00:56:22,160
as an objective reporter

1681
00:56:25,990 --> 00:56:25,200
or documentarian or whatever like that

1682
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:26,000
is your

1683
00:56:31,190 --> 00:56:29,040
job is simply to to show things in the

1684
00:56:33,430 --> 00:56:31,200
in the way that they're

1685
00:56:34,870 --> 00:56:33,440
in the most honest way that they can be

1686
00:56:36,789 --> 00:56:34,880
you know told

1687
00:56:38,470 --> 00:56:36,799
the most objective way they can be told

1688
00:56:40,309 --> 00:56:38,480
that that's what we try to do with the

1689
00:56:41,589 --> 00:56:40,319
movies things change a little bit with

1690
00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:41,599
like on the trail of

1691
00:56:45,670 --> 00:56:44,480
like i feel like we can integrate our

1692
00:56:46,950 --> 00:56:45,680
own opinions into

1693
00:56:48,950 --> 00:56:46,960
into the filmmaking into the

1694
00:56:50,950 --> 00:56:48,960
storytelling a little bit more because

1695
00:56:52,069 --> 00:56:50,960
it's usually being told from first

1696
00:56:53,430 --> 00:56:52,079
person perspective and

1697
00:56:54,870 --> 00:56:53,440
on the trail of is being told from

1698
00:56:56,069 --> 00:56:54,880
shanna's perspective on the trail of

1699
00:56:57,910 --> 00:56:56,079
ufos of shannon

1700
00:56:59,030 --> 00:56:57,920
and on the trail of bigfoot's me and you

1701
00:57:00,390 --> 00:56:59,040
can kind of hear things from our

1702
00:57:02,150 --> 00:57:00,400
perspective so there's a little bit more

1703
00:57:03,510 --> 00:57:02,160
of our voice being found in there but in

1704
00:57:04,549 --> 00:57:03,520
the films we're really trying to keep

1705
00:57:06,789 --> 00:57:04,559
ourselves out of it

1706
00:57:08,470 --> 00:57:06,799
so it's just whatever whatever the

1707
00:57:10,950 --> 00:57:08,480
theories and opinions are that

1708
00:57:12,230 --> 00:57:10,960
that is coming from either some sort of

1709
00:57:14,470 --> 00:57:12,240
historical

1710
00:57:15,430 --> 00:57:14,480
you know account or it's coming from a

1711
00:57:18,710 --> 00:57:15,440
cultural

1712
00:57:20,069 --> 00:57:18,720
you know standpoint or something um

1713
00:57:21,829 --> 00:57:20,079
it's interesting too to see the

1714
00:57:23,270 --> 00:57:21,839
difference between something like this

1715
00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:23,280
is kind of getting off the topic of what

1716
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:24,240
he just asked but

1717
00:57:27,510 --> 00:57:25,680
it's interesting to see the difference

1718
00:57:29,910 --> 00:57:27,520
between something like

1719
00:57:30,710 --> 00:57:29,920
um the mothman legacy or the mark of the

1720
00:57:33,349 --> 00:57:30,720
bellwich

1721
00:57:34,230 --> 00:57:33,359
so the mothman legacy is a movie about a

1722
00:57:37,270 --> 00:57:34,240
phenomenon

1723
00:57:38,309 --> 00:57:37,280
it's not about it's it's not about like

1724
00:57:41,030 --> 00:57:38,319
one case

1725
00:57:41,910 --> 00:57:41,040
or one story it's it's a much bigger

1726
00:57:44,069 --> 00:57:41,920
broader look

1727
00:57:45,589 --> 00:57:44,079
at the phenomenon of the mothman in west

1728
00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:45,599
virginia it's similar to what we did

1729
00:57:50,630 --> 00:57:47,280
with terror in the skies or

1730
00:57:53,750 --> 00:57:50,640
um the brave road beast whereas

1731
00:57:56,230 --> 00:57:53,760
we make other films like um

1732
00:57:57,349 --> 00:57:56,240
minerva monster or beast of whitehall or

1733
00:57:59,109 --> 00:57:57,359
momo

1734
00:58:00,549 --> 00:57:59,119
where you're you're basically just

1735
00:58:03,030 --> 00:58:00,559
retelling a story

1736
00:58:04,870 --> 00:58:03,040
you know and we don't get too deep in

1737
00:58:07,190 --> 00:58:04,880
like momo doesn't

1738
00:58:08,230 --> 00:58:07,200
doesn't uh filter things through the

1739
00:58:10,789 --> 00:58:08,240
lens of like

1740
00:58:12,150 --> 00:58:10,799
bigfoot it's it's not it doesn't bother

1741
00:58:13,670 --> 00:58:12,160
with that it's just telling you a story

1742
00:58:14,950 --> 00:58:13,680
about this family who

1743
00:58:16,789 --> 00:58:14,960
encountered a creature behind their

1744
00:58:17,109 --> 00:58:16,799
house that is the mark of the bellwich

1745
00:58:20,630 --> 00:58:17,119
like

1746
00:58:22,870 --> 00:58:20,640
sitting down at a

1747
00:58:23,910 --> 00:58:22,880
at a dinner table or in front of a fire

1748
00:58:25,510 --> 00:58:23,920
i guess is a better

1749
00:58:27,510 --> 00:58:25,520
example and having someone tell you a

1750
00:58:29,270 --> 00:58:27,520
spooky story so it's interesting

1751
00:58:31,430 --> 00:58:29,280
like we do these there's two different

1752
00:58:32,870 --> 00:58:31,440
ways we do this and and those seem to be

1753
00:58:33,750 --> 00:58:32,880
right now anyway those seem to be the

1754
00:58:35,109 --> 00:58:33,760
two

1755
00:58:36,950 --> 00:58:35,119
ways in which we do it and the only

1756
00:58:39,030 --> 00:58:36,960
reason i bring it up is we made both

1757
00:58:40,950 --> 00:58:39,040
these movies back to back and

1758
00:58:42,390 --> 00:58:40,960
the differences couldn't be more

1759
00:58:44,069 --> 00:58:42,400
apparent when you're

1760
00:58:45,829 --> 00:58:44,079
when you're able to go from one

1761
00:58:47,510 --> 00:58:45,839
literally directly into the next you

1762
00:58:50,630 --> 00:58:47,520
know in the editing process

1763
00:58:51,670 --> 00:58:50,640
um but it's i do find it easy to remain

1764
00:58:53,750 --> 00:58:51,680
objective

1765
00:58:54,789 --> 00:58:53,760
also because i'm pretty skeptical of

1766
00:58:57,750 --> 00:58:54,799
everything myself

1767
00:58:59,190 --> 00:58:57,760
so it's it isn't that i'm out to debunk

1768
00:59:01,109 --> 00:58:59,200
things or any of that

1769
00:59:02,829 --> 00:59:01,119
we don't we don't bother like that's not

1770
00:59:07,589 --> 00:59:02,839
our job um

1771
00:59:09,750 --> 00:59:07,599
but but simply uh retelling stories and

1772
00:59:12,390 --> 00:59:09,760
and putting things in in people's own

1773
00:59:14,230 --> 00:59:12,400
words there's an importance to that too

1774
00:59:16,630 --> 00:59:14,240
i know there's this idea that like if

1775
00:59:18,470 --> 00:59:16,640
you um

1776
00:59:20,150 --> 00:59:18,480
if you don't do everything in your power

1777
00:59:22,309 --> 00:59:20,160
to like get at the truth

1778
00:59:24,470 --> 00:59:22,319
of what these people are saying then

1779
00:59:26,230 --> 00:59:24,480
you're somehow not journalistic

1780
00:59:28,309 --> 00:59:26,240
like you're then you haven't done your

1781
00:59:31,430 --> 00:59:28,319
journalistic duty or whatever

1782
00:59:32,710 --> 00:59:31,440
but um you know the fact is

1783
00:59:34,549 --> 00:59:32,720
most of the stuff you're never gonna

1784
00:59:36,069 --> 00:59:34,559
know if it happened exactly

1785
00:59:38,150 --> 00:59:36,079
as they're claiming it happened you're

1786
00:59:40,230 --> 00:59:38,160
never gonna know it happened 50 60 years

1787
00:59:43,109 --> 00:59:40,240
ago or whatever in most of these cases

1788
00:59:45,270 --> 00:59:43,119
so our our end of the day our job is to

1789
00:59:47,190 --> 00:59:45,280
capture history in a bottle

1790
00:59:49,190 --> 00:59:47,200
yeah yeah exactly and i think you're

1791
00:59:50,950 --> 00:59:49,200
right every story has value

1792
00:59:52,630 --> 00:59:50,960
yeah even if we can't prove it or

1793
00:59:55,030 --> 00:59:52,640
disprove it um

1794
00:59:55,829 --> 00:59:55,040
it's part of it it's part of this entire

1795
00:59:58,150 --> 00:59:55,839
thing

1796
00:59:59,510 --> 00:59:58,160
and i think that's i again i think

1797
01:00:01,829 --> 00:59:59,520
witness testimony is a lot more

1798
01:00:05,109 --> 01:00:01,839
important than people give it credit for

1799
01:00:07,349 --> 01:00:05,119
and um without it what would we have to

1800
01:00:09,270 --> 01:00:07,359
study we wouldn't have ufos to try to

1801
01:00:11,829 --> 01:00:09,280
find data on we wouldn't have

1802
01:00:13,829 --> 01:00:11,839
mothman to try to you know whatever

1803
01:00:15,829 --> 01:00:13,839
capture it or just you know

1804
01:00:17,510 --> 01:00:15,839
just to figure out what it is without

1805
01:00:18,150 --> 01:00:17,520
these reports i couldn't agree with you

1806
01:00:20,950 --> 01:00:18,160
more man

1807
01:00:22,630 --> 01:00:20,960
um well let's talk about what comes next

1808
01:00:23,190 --> 01:00:22,640
you mentioned bell witch i know you got

1809
01:00:26,950 --> 01:00:23,200
the new

1810
01:00:28,789 --> 01:00:26,960
uh small town monster squad like tell us

1811
01:00:30,309 --> 01:00:28,799
you are this that guy where the ball is

1812
01:00:32,230 --> 01:00:30,319
constantly in the air you don't even

1813
01:00:34,630 --> 01:00:32,240
take a moment to breathe when a film

1814
01:00:36,950 --> 01:00:34,640
comes out and you are a machine man so

1815
01:00:37,670 --> 01:00:36,960
what comes next for small town monsters

1816
01:00:41,510 --> 01:00:37,680
um

1817
01:00:43,190 --> 01:00:41,520
yeah so on monday we start

1818
01:00:45,109 --> 01:00:43,200
we start filming on the trail of ufos

1819
01:00:48,309 --> 01:00:45,119
dark sky on monday

1820
01:00:50,950 --> 01:00:48,319
um which is our look at

1821
01:00:52,710 --> 01:00:50,960
returning to west virginia um our look

1822
01:00:54,950 --> 01:00:52,720
at west virginia history

1823
01:00:56,069 --> 01:00:54,960
um we're also gonna get to explore a

1824
01:00:57,750 --> 01:00:56,079
little bit of like project

1825
01:00:59,589 --> 01:00:57,760
blue book and some of the bigger picture

1826
01:01:01,349 --> 01:00:59,599
ufo stuff but we're taking a different

1827
01:01:02,710 --> 01:01:01,359
approach with on the trail of ufos going

1828
01:01:04,549 --> 01:01:02,720
forward

1829
01:01:07,190 --> 01:01:04,559
the first season was a blast it was

1830
01:01:07,910 --> 01:01:07,200
episodic it was great it cost me an

1831
01:01:10,630 --> 01:01:07,920
absolute

1832
01:01:12,390 --> 01:01:10,640
fortune i think you can see it when you

1833
01:01:13,910 --> 01:01:12,400
watch the movie that it it

1834
01:01:16,309 --> 01:01:13,920
cost a fortune because it's we're

1835
01:01:17,910 --> 01:01:16,319
jumping locations six times in every

1836
01:01:19,589 --> 01:01:17,920
episode or whatever and you're

1837
01:01:20,950 --> 01:01:19,599
you're seeing the entire country it just

1838
01:01:22,630 --> 01:01:20,960
it cost a fortune to make it we're

1839
01:01:24,069 --> 01:01:22,640
making a nd film here so it's at a

1840
01:01:24,549 --> 01:01:24,079
certain point you realize that you you

1841
01:01:26,549 --> 01:01:24,559
gotta

1842
01:01:27,750 --> 01:01:26,559
reign it in a little bit so what we're

1843
01:01:28,710 --> 01:01:27,760
doing going forward is making these

1844
01:01:30,950 --> 01:01:28,720
movies

1845
01:01:32,390 --> 01:01:30,960
um that are sort of set in specific

1846
01:01:34,870 --> 01:01:32,400
locations but we'll

1847
01:01:36,230 --> 01:01:34,880
we'll broaden out the the bigger picture

1848
01:01:38,069 --> 01:01:36,240
of ufology

1849
01:01:40,069 --> 01:01:38,079
um and we're also trying to get a little

1850
01:01:43,109 --> 01:01:40,079
more investigative in what we're doing

1851
01:01:46,230 --> 01:01:43,119
um now we've set the stage for

1852
01:01:48,150 --> 01:01:46,240
ufo lore where where ufos stand now

1853
01:01:50,069 --> 01:01:48,160
we're gonna start looking into

1854
01:01:52,150 --> 01:01:50,079
it for ourselves and and kind of finding

1855
01:01:54,069 --> 01:01:52,160
new angles to some of these old old

1856
01:01:56,150 --> 01:01:54,079
cases also just

1857
01:01:58,150 --> 01:01:56,160
in general i don't think people realize

1858
01:01:59,430 --> 01:01:58,160
the amount of ufo activity that

1859
01:02:01,670 --> 01:01:59,440
that took place in the state of west

1860
01:02:05,670 --> 01:02:01,680
virginia from like the 1950s

1861
01:02:07,990 --> 01:02:05,680
into the 1980s and that's a huge part of

1862
01:02:09,349 --> 01:02:08,000
this for me so we're gonna

1863
01:02:11,270 --> 01:02:09,359
we're gonna start on that on monday

1864
01:02:12,789 --> 01:02:11,280
beyond that uh market the bell which is

1865
01:02:13,109 --> 01:02:12,799
ready to come out we're gonna launch

1866
01:02:15,750 --> 01:02:13,119
that

1867
01:02:17,910 --> 01:02:15,760
in december and we're going to go back

1868
01:02:19,990 --> 01:02:17,920
to the self-distribution model

1869
01:02:21,430 --> 01:02:20,000
um so we're gonna self-distribute that

1870
01:02:23,109 --> 01:02:21,440
sometime in december

1871
01:02:25,190 --> 01:02:23,119
uh to it'll come out right around the

1872
01:02:27,750 --> 01:02:25,200
same time as the 200

1873
01:02:29,430 --> 01:02:27,760
year anniversary of john bell's death uh

1874
01:02:30,549 --> 01:02:29,440
the trailer for that should be dropping

1875
01:02:34,309 --> 01:02:30,559
sometime this week

1876
01:02:35,109 --> 01:02:34,319
um and then um i'm really excited about

1877
01:02:37,910 --> 01:02:35,119
by the way

1878
01:02:39,910 --> 01:02:37,920
um that movie pushes like our visual

1879
01:02:42,549 --> 01:02:39,920
style as far as it's ever been

1880
01:02:44,549 --> 01:02:42,559
um you know zach did all the the

1881
01:02:47,589 --> 01:02:44,559
director of photography work on the

1882
01:02:48,950 --> 01:02:47,599
documentary and then santino uh was

1883
01:02:52,630 --> 01:02:48,960
actually my dp

1884
01:02:54,230 --> 01:02:52,640
on the um on the recreations and santino

1885
01:02:57,270 --> 01:02:54,240
by the way just finished working on

1886
01:02:59,910 --> 01:02:57,280
um mortuary collection it's on

1887
01:03:01,430 --> 01:02:59,920
shutter um he was the he was the effects

1888
01:03:02,950 --> 01:03:01,440
one of the effects artists on that so i

1889
01:03:03,270 --> 01:03:02,960
want to make sure i rep that because

1890
01:03:06,870 --> 01:03:03,280
it's

1891
01:03:08,789 --> 01:03:06,880
anthology a horror anthology

1892
01:03:10,470 --> 01:03:08,799
um and it's getting a lot of press like

1893
01:03:13,029 --> 01:03:10,480
people are really digging that movie

1894
01:03:16,309 --> 01:03:13,039
um santino's was a key part of that but

1895
01:03:17,829 --> 01:03:16,319
you guys when you see this movie you'll

1896
01:03:20,150 --> 01:03:17,839
you know i've always had issues with

1897
01:03:20,870 --> 01:03:20,160
paranormal with like ghosts movies with

1898
01:03:23,829 --> 01:03:20,880
a ghost

1899
01:03:25,190 --> 01:03:23,839
uh reality tv it's all ghost hunting

1900
01:03:26,950 --> 01:03:25,200
right like that's all

1901
01:03:28,710 --> 01:03:26,960
we really see is some element of ghost

1902
01:03:32,470 --> 01:03:28,720
hunting in those stories

1903
01:03:34,069 --> 01:03:32,480
this is not that this is a a ghost story

1904
01:03:35,589 --> 01:03:34,079
being told to you

1905
01:03:37,109 --> 01:03:35,599
yeah yeah so mark of the bell which will

1906
01:03:37,829 --> 01:03:37,119
be out in december and then next year

1907
01:03:39,430 --> 01:03:37,839
we've got

1908
01:03:41,190 --> 01:03:39,440
uh a whole bunch of stuff coming out

1909
01:03:43,270 --> 01:03:41,200
we've got howl of the rugru

1910
01:03:45,109 --> 01:03:43,280
uh on the trail of bigfoot the journey

1911
01:03:47,990 --> 01:03:45,119
which we filmed this past summer

1912
01:03:49,589 --> 01:03:48,000
um there's yeah on the trail of bigfoot

1913
01:03:51,029 --> 01:03:49,599
the discovery on the trail of

1914
01:03:52,789 --> 01:03:51,039
lake michigan mothman there's there's a

1915
01:03:54,789 --> 01:03:52,799
lot happening and and small

1916
01:03:56,950 --> 01:03:54,799
you mentioned a small town monster squad

1917
01:03:58,789 --> 01:03:56,960
so we announced that like

1918
01:04:00,150 --> 01:03:58,799
last weekend as far as like what it is

1919
01:04:02,390 --> 01:04:00,160
but we're really

1920
01:04:04,309 --> 01:04:02,400
it's starting to expand on what it is

1921
01:04:07,670 --> 01:04:04,319
and uh i'm really excited about that

1922
01:04:12,390 --> 01:04:10,470
it was originally supposed to be a um

1923
01:04:13,510 --> 01:04:12,400
just simply like a members only section

1924
01:04:15,910 --> 01:04:13,520
of our site with like

1925
01:04:17,589 --> 01:04:15,920
some youtube videos and stuff but it's

1926
01:04:20,069 --> 01:04:17,599
uh we were contacted by

1927
01:04:21,510 --> 01:04:20,079
youtube like a week ago about joining up

1928
01:04:23,750 --> 01:04:21,520
with their beta

1929
01:04:25,510 --> 01:04:23,760
so at the point where we had already

1930
01:04:29,109 --> 01:04:25,520
sort of prepared to do

1931
01:04:31,109 --> 01:04:29,119
something else entirely um

1932
01:04:32,630 --> 01:04:31,119
yeah we were contacted by by youtube

1933
01:04:34,230 --> 01:04:32,640
about being part of their membership

1934
01:04:36,630 --> 01:04:34,240
beta so you go on youtube

1935
01:04:38,309 --> 01:04:36,640
on our youtube channel and you can click

1936
01:04:41,029 --> 01:04:38,319
this join thing and then

1937
01:04:42,230 --> 01:04:41,039
you select the uh the level you want to

1938
01:04:44,390 --> 01:04:42,240
be at

1939
01:04:45,670 --> 01:04:44,400
and you get basically like a ton of

1940
01:04:47,510 --> 01:04:45,680
different content or launch

1941
01:04:49,589 --> 01:04:47,520
there's multiple series involved in this

1942
01:04:53,029 --> 01:04:49,599
there's like eyewitness reports

1943
01:04:54,069 --> 01:04:53,039
um investigative reports production

1944
01:04:56,950 --> 01:04:54,079
diaries

1945
01:04:57,829 --> 01:04:56,960
um do uh uncut interviews like we just

1946
01:04:59,829 --> 01:04:57,839
launched uh

1947
01:05:01,510 --> 01:04:59,839
david weatherly's uncut interview from

1948
01:05:03,109 --> 01:05:01,520
on the trail of ufos on there it's this

1949
01:05:05,029 --> 01:05:03,119
massive like hour and a half long

1950
01:05:05,990 --> 01:05:05,039
interview with david weatherly about ufo

1951
01:05:09,029 --> 01:05:06,000
history

1952
01:05:10,390 --> 01:05:09,039
um and then there's tons of live stuff

1953
01:05:13,270 --> 01:05:10,400
the biggest thing is it's supposed to be

1954
01:05:15,190 --> 01:05:13,280
a play a key part in on the trail of

1955
01:05:16,470 --> 01:05:15,200
going forward so when we go to on the

1956
01:05:18,549 --> 01:05:16,480
shoot next week

1957
01:05:20,150 --> 01:05:18,559
we're going to be going on night ops you

1958
01:05:22,069 --> 01:05:20,160
know every night including in like

1959
01:05:24,870 --> 01:05:22,079
flatwoods and some of these historic

1960
01:05:26,150 --> 01:05:24,880
locations and we're gonna livestream

1961
01:05:26,710 --> 01:05:26,160
them so you can be a part of that on

1962
01:05:29,190 --> 01:05:26,720
there

1963
01:05:30,710 --> 01:05:29,200
and take part in it uh location tours

1964
01:05:32,069 --> 01:05:30,720
live q as all that kind of stuff

1965
01:05:33,990 --> 01:05:32,079
small town monster squad is what we're

1966
01:05:35,670 --> 01:05:34,000
calling it you can either go to the

1967
01:05:36,990 --> 01:05:35,680
youtube channel for small town monsters

1968
01:05:39,029 --> 01:05:37,000
and click join or you can go to

1969
01:05:42,150 --> 01:05:39,039
smalltownmonsters.com

1970
01:05:44,230 --> 01:05:42,160
members to check that out awesome i

1971
01:05:46,710 --> 01:05:44,240
can't wait to see that david weatherly

1972
01:05:48,470 --> 01:05:46,720
interview for sure that's that's so cool

1973
01:05:50,390 --> 01:05:48,480
and let us know if you see the flatwoods

1974
01:05:53,349 --> 01:05:50,400
monster for sure but

1975
01:05:53,750 --> 01:05:53,359
you'll see him no doubt yeah yeah he's

1976
01:05:56,150 --> 01:05:53,760
pretty

1977
01:05:57,029 --> 01:05:56,160
he's camera ready yeah he's good to go

1978
01:05:59,430 --> 01:05:57,039
um

1979
01:06:01,829 --> 01:05:59,440
well let us know where can we find the

1980
01:06:02,630 --> 01:06:01,839
mothman legacy i think it just became

1981
01:06:04,870 --> 01:06:02,640
available

1982
01:06:06,390 --> 01:06:04,880
to rent if i'm not mistaken so yeah

1983
01:06:08,870 --> 01:06:06,400
where can we find

1984
01:06:10,870 --> 01:06:08,880
it's on uh basically all major vod

1985
01:06:13,910 --> 01:06:10,880
platforms so like itunes and amazon

1986
01:06:17,349 --> 01:06:13,920
google play uh all those voodoo

1987
01:06:21,029 --> 01:06:17,359
all those big platforms you can

1988
01:06:21,510 --> 01:06:21,039
go to um i was going to think of what

1989
01:06:25,270 --> 01:06:21,520
the

1990
01:06:25,910 --> 01:06:25,280
remember what it is it's a really simple

1991
01:06:27,430 --> 01:06:25,920
url

1992
01:06:29,029 --> 01:06:27,440
we've been posting a lot on our facebook

1993
01:06:31,190 --> 01:06:29,039
page so if you follow us on there you'll

1994
01:06:33,270 --> 01:06:31,200
find it uh or smalltownmonsters.com if

1995
01:06:34,549 --> 01:06:33,280
you want like dvds and blu-rays

1996
01:06:37,589 --> 01:06:34,559
and that's also like the best way to

1997
01:06:40,230 --> 01:06:37,599
support what we do is db and blu-ray

1998
01:06:41,829 --> 01:06:40,240
if you don't do that uh go on amazon and

1999
01:06:44,630 --> 01:06:41,839
leave a review because that's also

2000
01:06:46,390 --> 01:06:44,640
kind of a big deal that's amazon reviews

2001
01:06:48,710 --> 01:06:46,400
which i'm sure you're aware of

2002
01:06:49,990 --> 01:06:48,720
yeah i'm very familiar with that yes

2003
01:06:52,710 --> 01:06:50,000
begging people to

2004
01:06:54,069 --> 01:06:52,720
to review it's extremely important uh

2005
01:06:56,630 --> 01:06:54,079
for independent artists

2006
01:06:58,230 --> 01:06:56,640
to get featured on certain platforms the

2007
01:06:59,670 --> 01:06:58,240
more reviews you get the more they get

2008
01:07:01,109 --> 01:06:59,680
featured so definitely

2009
01:07:03,109 --> 01:07:01,119
everyone who's seen it or is going to

2010
01:07:05,270 --> 01:07:03,119
see it go do that please but

2011
01:07:06,309 --> 01:07:05,280
other than that seth man again i can't

2012
01:07:08,789 --> 01:07:06,319
stress how much

2013
01:07:10,390 --> 01:07:08,799
you up the ante every project you do

2014
01:07:11,990 --> 01:07:10,400
this one really blew me

2015
01:07:14,549 --> 01:07:12,000
like blew me away in terms of the

2016
01:07:15,349 --> 01:07:14,559
quality of it and the stories themselves

2017
01:07:17,910 --> 01:07:15,359
were just

2018
01:07:19,109 --> 01:07:17,920
incredible so i gotta thank you brother

2019
01:07:22,150 --> 01:07:19,119
for keeping

2020
01:07:23,990 --> 01:07:22,160
mothman alive keeping the legacy going

2021
01:07:25,910 --> 01:07:24,000
and for everything you do my man and of

2022
01:07:26,710 --> 01:07:25,920
course for joining us on somewhere in

2023
01:07:28,850 --> 01:07:26,720
the skies

2024
01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:28,860
yeah thanks for having me

2025
01:07:58,890 --> 01:07:57,210
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